deBlasio wants 7 Billion from the federal govt to make NY City "whole"

https://theconservativetreehou...bailout/#more-190105

The Kung Flu death rate in the US is .00016134% (54,856 deaths against a population of 340,000,000) and that’s with the known lied about death numbers.

Food for thought.

^^ off by a factor of 100, but still a very good point.

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
For what it’s worth, here’s my take.

From pretty much the beginning of health statistics the two leading killers in the United States are heart disease and Cancer.

Heart disease kills between 13,000-16,000 a week

Cancer kills between 11000-14000 a week

Two weeks ago Covid 19 killed basically 15,000 people. It may have been the leading killer in the United States that week

The problem is those Wuhan virus "confirmed death" numbers are false and greatly inflated.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
^^ off by a factor of 100, but still a very good point.

How so?

Comment about the doctor video on previous page

They said "20% of the NY state population are positive"

Why is that so misleading?

Cuomo reported that NY did a survey of about 3,000 people across regions and found 13.9% had antibodies indicating they had been infected with the coronavirus.

Cuomo extrapolated that to say nearly 14% of New Yorkers have been infected with COVID-19.

meaning the virus already may have afflicted as many as 2.7 million state residents.

https://www.newsday.com/news/h...-new-york-1.44047680

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So Cuomo said 14% and the doctors in the video said 20%. Both numbers are in the same ballpark

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
^^ off by a factor of 100, but still a very good point.

How so?

I got schooled too, forgot to multiply by 100 to figure out percentage of a whole. No biggie, still a ridiculously low number

Found this

Very refreshing
No spin
Just data

The big problem I see with all the comparisons being made with cancer, heart disease, car accidents, obesity, etc. is that none of those are contagious. You're not going to get heart disease by being in close proximity with someone who does.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
I got schooled too, forgot to multiply by 100 to figure out percentage of a whole. No biggie, still a ridiculously low number

340,000,000 times .00016134 = 54,855.6 deaths. What am I missing?

Edit: Forget it. I just remembered it’s .016 percent. Been out of school too long.

Some of them most likely are

And there are likely deaths, especially early, not appropriately classified

The point is you have zero proof the Johns Hopkins numbers are inflated. So that’s what I go off of. There’s is the best gauge and what we can base the discussion upon, not conjecture and speculation.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
For what it’s worth, here’s my take.

From pretty much the beginning of health statistics the two leading killers in the United States are heart disease and Cancer.

Heart disease kills between 13,000-16,000 a week

Cancer kills between 11000-14000 a week

Two weeks ago Covid 19 killed basically 15,000 people. It may have been the leading killer in the United States that week

The problem is those Wuhan virus "confirmed death" numbers are false and greatly inflated.

What are the numbers for other killers over that time period?


Fortunately it’s not like 5% of the population dies every 7 weeks

Over a 7 week period heart disease will kill 50,000-75,000 people. The leading killer in the United States

So over the relevant period Covid-19 is challenging heart disease for the leading killer of Americans

How many people do you think die in this country normally over that period of time?

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

quote:

Originally posted by mutedblade:
I got schooled too, forgot to multiply by 100 to figure out percentage of a whole. No biggie, still a ridiculously low number

340,000,000 times .00016134 = 54,855.6 deaths. What am I missing?

Edit: Forget it. I just remembered it’s .016 percent. Been out of school too long.

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
Some of them most likely are

And there are likely deaths, especially early, not appropriately classified

The point is you have zero proof the Johns Hopkins numbers are inflated.

Yes we do. In New York they even admitted adding deaths that they simply assumed were covid. In Pennsylvania the governor just happened to be caught adding fake deaths to the rolls. Even Dr. Birx said that they were being extremely liberal in how they were counting deaths.

The numbers are unquestionably inflated.

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Originally posted by sdy:
deBlasio wants 7 Billion from the federal govt to make NY City "whole"

https://theconservativetreehou...bailout/#more-190105

That's fucking ludicrous. If we are going to play that game I want all my lost income AND my lost money from my 401-k PLUS interest. At the very least I want some of whatever he's smoking.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by sdy:
deBlasio wants 7 Billion from the federal govt to make NY City "whole"
https://theconservativetreehou...bailout/#more-190105

At the very least I want some of whatever he's smoking.

No you don’t. He’s probably an expert in smoking white owls.

great. Fantastic. I know this thread is your pet project but here’s the thing.

For the point of this discussion....I don’t care.


Find me an institution worthy of respect that has a margin of error in their numbers built in for your cases of fraud and, provided their data and reasoning is sound, ill use their number for discussion


Until then I will stipulate there is fraud. There certainly is just plain old error.

For the purpose of discussion I am establishing a baseline using the numbers reported by Johns Hopkins. I get you don’t like their numbers. I get you don’t like anything about this that doesn’t fit a very narrow narrative.

There is a range in the heart disease numbers because what is classified as a death related to heart disease and reported as such can vary from state to state and even from hospital to hospital

At some point, given time, someone will compile numbers taking into account variations and, yes, even the fraud you want to insert into every conversation about this. I am, though, unaware of such an established study yet


Until then I’m going to go with the guys from Johns Hopkins. Yes they may have an agenda. So do you. So do I. But, and you seem like a nice, well educated guy, but in the instance I believe they are much more the subject matter experts than you. Or me. Or, well, almost everyone in this thread

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

quote:

Originally posted by Kevbo:
Some of them most likely are

And there are likely deaths, especially early, not appropriately classified

The point is you have zero proof the Johns Hopkins numbers are inflated.

Yes we do. In New York they even admitted adding deaths that they simply assumed were covid. In Pennsylvania the governor just happened to be caught adding fake deaths to the rolls. Even Dr. Birx said that they were being extremely liberal in how they were counting deaths.

The numbers are unquestionably inflated.

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
great. Fantastic. I know this thread is your pet project but here’s the thing.

For the point of this discussion....I don’t care.

.... I get you don’t like anything about this that doesn’t fit a very narrow narrative.

My pet project? Very narrow narrative? Saying false crap like that is completely unnecessary to get your point across. It's pretty clear you also have a very narrow narrative, and you don't care to hear any noise to the contrary or else you would've laid off the ad hominem attacks.

You trust the numbers coming out of these states, and that is where John's Hopkins is getting its numbers, is it not? They are collecting data provided to them. If the data is flawed, which I believe it is, I'm simply not going to trust it no matter who is putting out the final report.

You do trust it and I don't. We disagree. It's as simple as that.

My position in this thread from the very beginning has not been to outright dismiss this virus, as I do believe it needed to be talked about and considered seriously. No, it has simply been that these draconian lockdowns are completely unnecessary and a gross overreaction and vastly more harmful to our nation in the long run. I still believe that, and I believe it now more than ever.

OK, fine. Let's move on.

Though I don't think I've ever posted this here before, my congrats to Californians today for getting with the program. Even they have apparently had enough of this BS. Californians Defy Governor, Flock to the Beach

There were COVID deaths never reported and COVID deaths over reported. That may in the end fall to one side or the other, who knows, we will never know. The things I do know are:

- It's not the flu.
- Deaths are additional to flu and all other causes of death.
- It's not going away soon.
- Containment is past the point of having any use
- We don't want to overwhelm our hospitals or have Drs and nurses working without PPE
- No one knows true numbers either current or projected.
- No matter which way the end results end up media will blame PDJT
- There is no consensus among the medical community
- We are working with in complete data

In my mind the biggest question is how do we restart things and prevent the most deaths possible because deaths are inevitable at this point.

I have no answers, just questions and thirst for information. This is a complete shit storm and I hope we end up choosing the right balance.