Can you imagine the look on Cuomo's face when he starts hearing from his constituents? "They're open in freakin' Montana!" "They had a lot less cases there." "So did we - that's why you blamed every death that happened on coronavirus! Meanwhile, they're open in Montana and we're shut down in freakin' New Yawk City!"

More fear? Asymptomatic people never recover but keep spreading it??????

https://www.clickondetroit.com...spreading-the-virus/

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More fear?

Yeah, just fear-mongering. Nothing at all like Typhoid Mary or the fact that some people who have “recovered” from Ebola also continue to harbor the virus in their bodies and it’s believed they could continue to infect people under the proper circumstances.

One thing about a “novel” disease is that sometimes it takes a while before all its characteristics and effects become known—at least to the professional investigators. Some people can suss out everything there is to know or will ever be known by reading an initial vague news report that mentions that a couple of people have died from the disease.

And we all know that governments and other for-profit organizations never exaggerate the seriousness of an incident or condition, for a laundry list of reasons.

It never happens that we find out in the aftermath of something or other, that the government or some corporation or whatever, provided the public with adulterated or outright false information. Never happens, least of all with something like the Big Kahuna Virus, right?

Now, certainly, if it were to be that the public was being lied to (or provided information by incompetent people) as a normal course of events, well, then, yes, we would have ample reason to distrust everything we're being told.

And we all know that China, above all, is a shining beacon of truth, openness and ethical behavior. And, my God, think of how little we might trust what we're being told about the destruction of the lives of working people, if our government was populated by self-serving bureaucrats. Thank God that's not the way things are, because if they were, well, a substantial portion of the populace might become distrustful.

Thankfully, all is well and we're being told the truth, and no one's out to capitalize on this disaster.

Just told by my sister in law who is in the volunteer ambulance corp that New York State is forbidding them to perform CPR on people in need. They are to stand down and await instructions as to whether defibbing would be authorized. That is disconcerting.

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Originally posted by dave7378:
Just told by my sister in law who is in the volunteer ambulance corp that New York State is forbidding them to perform CPR on people in need. They are to stand down and await instructions as to whether defibbing would be authorized. That is disconcerting.

So it is OK to let some people die? Just not if they are known to have the Wuhan Flu?

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Originally posted by kx90:
So it is OK to let some people die?

For a variety of reasons, yes, it is.
The most obvious and probably common reason is if trying to keep a patient from dying poses a significant risk of serious harm to the responder.

Some years ago I designed an exercise simulating a situation in which a domestic terrorist shot several people and then barricaded himself in an office building with hostages. The scenario included the fact that some of the severely “injured” were still alive but located close to where the terrorist was in the building. When the firefighters and medics arrived on scene for the exercise, they were briefed on the situation, including the fact that there were seriously injured victims that required urgent evacuation and medical care, but also that the hostage-taker was behind a barricade, but nevertheless nearby. So what did the firefighters and medics do?

Yes, they waited outside the building until the terrorist was neutralized (after a protracted period) and the scene was completely cleared by law enforcement. Had it been a real situation rather than an exercise, it’s very likely that some of the injured would have died.

As an aside, the above situation is being addressed by many SWAT or “crisis response” teams these days. Fairly early on my team had “tactical medics” who were armed, armored, and trained and prepared to enter “hot” zones like the one I set up for the exercise, and that’s becoming more common all the time. During the exercise it was our tactical medics who evacuated injured from the hot zone, but in many situations that wouldn’t have been possible for many law enforcement responders.

We might debate whether the COVID-19 disease is dangerous enough to let people die rather than be exposed to it through CPR, but the principle is clear. Sometimes it’s necessary to let some people die if the risk to responders is great enough.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

Ebola also continue to harbor the virus in their bodies and it’s believed they could continue to infect people under the proper circumstances.

Well,not exactly.. The place it seems to remain and not be eliminated within the male body is in your nuts. Seems there isn't enough blood flow to accomplish that feat. It was suggested that as part of the treatment they just cut them off. Yeah, that one couldn't even be sold to stupid Africans. But let me guess, it was suggested by women who don't like men.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I don't see where it's a business owner's responsibility to enforce an edict of spacing as long as you don't force people to stand or sit close together. Those people that felt compelled to stick their noses in where they didn't belong should have complained about the customers, not the ice cream stand owners.

Are you a business owner Krazeehorse? If so, have you noticed a trend of .gov pushing more of their responsibilities off onto you? If you know a banker well and catch him after a few drinks and fill him in on the SARs that he is required to file and how he effectively is required to spy on his customers and snitch to the government without alerting the customers if he wants to keep his banking license. While I was visiting the local coffee shop the other day, one of the staffers had shared that they had had local police officers (from any agency that is very proud of their certification to national standards), notice that some customers were “not maintaining appropriate social distance,” and say that they really didn’t want to have to pull licenses to operate ...”. And all the folks I’ve met from that agency are nice folks, and at least some of them like and frequent that shop. However, there seems to be a clear sense that “the rules” however they were created, “are the rules.” and not only do the businesses have to comply with “the rules,” but if they want to continue to be allowed to operate they have to ensure that their customers comply with the rules too.

I think the whole idea of asking the government for permission to do something and having their attitude be, “Hmmm, let’s see if we want to let you do that.” instead of, “How can we help you do what you want to do while staying within the laws?” is a huge wrong approach, but it seems like far too many “civil servants” actually think they are “civil masters.”

Yet another interesting read... Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern

Maybe the sky isn't really falling...

Slosig, yes I am and I agree. I don't anticipate a problem at our shop. We work on the cars outside so there is space. We also help maintain city PD and county sheriff vehicles so I think we will be treated old school kindly if some do-gooder complains they saw people standing too closely.

Welcome to what a 'real' governor looks like. An interestingly, its yet another conservative woman. Well how about that.

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Originally posted by rburg:
The place it seems to remain and not be eliminated within the male body is in your nuts.

Yes, in the testicles (and eyes?). The last report I read about that speculated that it could be transmitted via semen. Has that been determined to be impossible?

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Originally posted by dave7378:
Just told by my sister in law who is in the volunteer ambulance corp that New York State is forbidding them to perform CPR on people in need. They are to stand down and await instructions as to whether defibbing would be authorized. That is disconcerting.

So it is OK to let some people die? Just not if they are known to have the Wuhan Flu?

WTF?!

Do you know if that is a statewide edict or a local (county or city) protocol?

The governor of South Dakota is very impressive. Imagine if more leaders were like her.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
Slosig, yes I am and I agree. I don't anticipate a problem at our shop. We work on the cars outside so there is space. We also help maintain city PD and county sheriff vehicles so I think we will be treated old school kindly if some do-gooder complains they saw people standing too closely.

Glad to hear your locals are treating you right. It really seems that if you treat them right, they treat you right. Imagine that.

Our County Supervisors did not initially list gun stores as essential. Our LGS has a range and works closely with Local LE. It didn’t take more than a few days for our Sheriff to convince the Supervisors to correct their error and add firearms and ammunition vendors to the list.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
The governor of South Dakota is very impressive. Imagine if more leaders were like her.

Iowa Gov Kim Reynolds is getting far less publicity, but she's also standing up to the media and Demokrats (one and the same) who DEMAND she lock down the entire state.

https://governor.iowa.gov/about-the-governor

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Originally posted by kx90:

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Originally posted by dave7378:
Just told by my sister in law who is in the volunteer ambulance corp that New York State is forbidding them to perform CPR on people in need. They are to stand down and await instructions as to whether defibbing would be authorized. That is disconcerting.

So it is OK to let some people die? Just not if they are known to have the Wuhan Flu?

WTF?!

Do you know if that is a statewide edict or a local (county or city) protocol?

Yeah this doesn't sound right. I know that New York just jumped on the bandwagon of performing at least 20 minutes of CPR in the field and if they're still in asystole then medical control can authorize them to stop CPR. But I haven't heard anything about not starting CPR in the first place.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Welcome to what a 'real' governor looks like. An interestingly, its yet another conservative woman. Well how about that.

Calm and reason. Outstanding. She's not been on my radar. How I wish for someone like her to lead our state.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
The governor of South Dakota is very impressive. Imagine if more leaders were like her.

Comical isn't it. When the Left constantly whines that we need more women elected officials, they never site women like Ms. Noem as an example of what those elected women should look like. Gee, I wonder why? I'd be very proud to live in a state governed by a woman like this.