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When will the coronavirus arrive in the US? (Disease: COVID-19; Virus: SARS-CoV-2)
April 11, 2020, 08:35 AM
tleo205When will the coronavirus arrive in the US? (Disease: COVID-19; Virus: SARS-CoV-2)
quote:
Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Listen, I’m no one. A retired cop who had a stroke.
I’m a Christian, I believe in Jesus, but my grandfather was a Jew. He survived the war because his family had the foresight to leave Eastern Europe after WWI. I will not have my family herded into any thing, any where.
Because of my police training I have, maybe one notch above the normal citizen’s level of knowledge about rights. But I know that writing tickets to people in a parking lot outside of a church is wrong. “Just following orders” was the excuse some nazis gave, and they deserved the noose.
When I was a cop I prided myself in using my common sense. And more people need to exercise theirs.
This sitting in houses is wrong. Period. And the government telling us to do it is wrong too.
The people threatened by this virus should sequester themselves. The rest of us should be able to go about our business. And get this country back into business. In a month the old folks can come out and be safe.
Totally agree Mike, I'm retired now but still have my certification since I still do some part time work for the Dept. (well, not in a month or so with this crap going on). Common sense seems to have gone out the window with the newer generations of officers. I would have never followed orders to harass people like we are seeing in some places. Luckily I haven't heard of any incidents like these happening around here so far.
April 11, 2020, 08:46 AM
henryazquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
So what happens if I miss an item while walking one way down an aisle? Can I turn and walk the 8 feet or so back to said missed item? Or must I continue on and go back all the way around down the adjacent aisle so I can start at the beginning again?
Yesterday was my first encounter with our local Safeway's 100 person limit in the store and one way aisles. When I encountered an item I wanted what was <10ft or so from the end of a wrong way aisle, I just parked my cart at the end of the aisle and walked up and got it. No way with my bad leg and cane am I going to make a round trip just for that item.
When in doubt, mumble April 11, 2020, 09:02 AM
chellim1quote:
Originally posted by CPD SIG:
Rest In Peace, Cliff.
I'm gonna miss ya! You and that always present grin.
I'm sorry, CPD SIG. Rest In Peace, Cliff.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor April 11, 2020, 09:02 AM
bionic218quote:
Bat poop and anal swabs from Shitou Cave, eh?
I Shitou not
April 11, 2020, 09:29 AM
just1tymquote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
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Though long, very interesting, insightful, and yet not surprising with the findings. Thanks for posting this, I appreciate it.
Regards, Will G.
April 11, 2020, 09:33 AM
GraniteguyIf the theory about wet markets, bats and the coronavirus are true - why not ban wet markets here
in the US and prohibit travel to countries, like China, that have not only abundant wet markets, but very loose controls over the inventory of some of these animals in their bio-labs?
April 11, 2020, 09:49 AM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by Graniteguy:
If the theory about wet markets, bats and the coronavirus are true - why not ban wet markets here
in the US and prohibit travel to countries, like China, that have not only abundant wet markets, but very loose controls over the inventory of some of these animals in their bio-labs?
Where do we have wet markets in the US?
~Alan
Acta Non Verba
NRA Life Member (Patron)
God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
April 11, 2020, 10:31 AM
sigcrazy7quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by Graniteguy:
If the theory about wet markets, bats and the coronavirus are true - why not ban wet markets here
in the US and prohibit travel to countries, like China, that have not only abundant wet markets, but very loose controls over the inventory of some of these animals in their bio-labs?
Where do we have wet markets in the US?
I don’t know if they still do, but when I lived in the Bay Area in the 90s, they had them in San Francisco. Chinatown, of course.
Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus April 11, 2020, 10:31 AM
Ozarkwoodsquote:
Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Listen, I’m no one. A retired cop who had a stroke.
I’m a Christian, I believe in Jesus, but my grandfather was a Jew. He survived the war because his family had the foresight to leave Eastern Europe after WWI. I will not have my family herded into any thing, any where.
Because of my police training I have, maybe one notch above the normal citizen’s level of knowledge about rights. But I know that writing tickets to people in a parking lot outside of a church is wrong. “Just following orders” was the excuse some nazis gave, and they deserved the noose.
When I was a cop I prided myself in using my common sense. And more people need to exercise theirs.
This sitting in houses is wrong. Period. And the government telling us to do it is wrong too.
The people threatened by this virus should sequester themselves. The rest of us should be able to go about our business. And get this country back into business. In a month the old folks can come out and be safe.
I am also a retired cop, and I wholeheartedly agree. These officers who are just following orders by writing citations to church goers in cars following CDC guidelines, and those pulling off a man on a bus because he did not have a mask on are making choices that break their oath of protecting the Constitution. What they need to be doing is stepping up and going to their union to represent them as a whole and refusing to follow unlawful orders.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
April 11, 2020, 10:38 AM
Jimbo JonesI shitou not!
quote:
Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
And now for those who are still interested about the disease itself, a Review article from The Wall Street Journal.
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The Bats Behind The Pandemic
In Shitou Cave, south of Kunming, the capital of Yunnan, they found viruses in the bats’ droppings and anal swabs
Bat poop and anal swabs from Shitou Cave, eh?
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April 11, 2020, 10:38 AM
chellim1quote:
Originally posted by just1tym:
Though long, very interesting, insightful, and yet not surprising with the findings. Thanks for posting this, I appreciate it.
Yep. CCP Virus: interesting. Thanks, wcb6092.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor April 11, 2020, 10:43 AM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
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I don’t know if they still do, but when I lived in the Bay Area in the 90s, they had them in San Francisco. Chinatown, of course.
Ah, yes. That makes sense.
~Alan
Acta Non Verba
NRA Life Member (Patron)
God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
April 11, 2020, 10:48 AM
Jimbo JonesRe increased death rate for COVID-19 patients on respirators.
My sales director is married to a nurse that has worked ICU during the current crisis.
He told me yesterday that they have to de-gown and then gown up again every time they visit a new patient. Re-gowning takes minimum 3-5 minutes as they have to do it properly by a specific procedure. So if/when a patient on a vent has an event (heart beat irregularities, stoppage, anything that sets off the monitoring equipment) that requires assistance, minimum 3-5 mins can and many times does elapse before they receive care.
After they gown up and get to the patient, many times its too late. This delay in treatment due to proper PPE procedure could explain why the mortality rate for COVID-19 patients is 80%, whereas only 50% for people on vents with non-infectious respiratory ailments.
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Originally posted by Cookster:
quote:
Originally posted by RAMIUS:
In regard to the vented patients increased rate of death.
(Definitely correct me if I’m wrong with the above statement)
Are they dying because they’re on a vent?
Or are they dying because they have more severe symptoms aka. Got it bad...(which would explain the vent to give them a hand breathing).
This video of another doc in NYC may have ready been posted here, but in case not he theorizes that putting people on ventilator’s at the ‘assumed’ correct settings for similar conditions may actually be causing more harm than good in treating the Chinese Virus.
The video is probably about a week old because the estimated number of deaths that he cites was the ~200K figure.
Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sydell
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It's like my brain's a tree and you're those little cookie elves.
April 11, 2020, 10:56 AM
mutedbladequote:
Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
What they need to be doing is stepping up and going to their union to represent them as a whole and refusing to follow unlawful orders.
Goose-stepping check cashing Gestapo fucks. That is what I am calling the chuds that decide that their paycheck is more important that other peoples freedoms. Once we are out of this, I think an even greater portion of our population will be okay with government overreach. They are too simple to realize what is happening right in front of them. This goes for so called conservative's too.
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April 11, 2020, 11:05 AM
Skins2881quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
And now for those who are still interested about the disease itself, a Review article from The Wall Street Journal.
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Long read, but you might find this interesting.
How China’s “Bat Woman” Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New CoronavirusI may have posted it before, hard to remember these days.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis April 11, 2020, 11:07 AM
46and2quote:
Originally posted by bionic218:
I Shitou not
(slow clap)
April 11, 2020, 11:21 AM
slosigquote:
Originally posted by Skins2881:
I may have posted it before, hard to remember these days.
I’m not sure if it was you, but someone posted it. It seems like a few years and a few thousand pages ago, but it was probably only a week or two and a hundred pages or so...
ETA: It was you, March 22nd, page 200. Seems like forever ago...
April 11, 2020, 11:46 AM
V-Tailquote:
Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Listen, I’m no one. A retired cop who had a stroke.
I’m a Christian, I believe in Jesus, but my grandfather was a Jew. He survived the war because his family had the foresight to leave Eastern Europe after WWI. I will not have my family herded into any thing, any where.
Because of my police training I have, maybe one notch above the normal citizen’s level of knowledge about rights. But I know that writing tickets to people in a parking lot outside of a church is wrong. “Just following orders” was the excuse some nazis gave, and they deserved the noose.
When I was a cop I prided myself in using my common sense. And more people need to exercise theirs.
This sitting in houses is wrong. Period. And the government telling us to do it is wrong too.
The people threatened by this virus should sequester themselves. The rest of us should be able to go about our business. And get this country back into business. In a month the old folks can come out and be safe.
Thank you, Mike. That makes more sense than anything that the governments (state and local) have said, and more sense than 95% of what I have read (SIGforum excepted).
הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים April 11, 2020, 11:57 AM
slosigMaybe I’m in the weeds, but I’d think if the government really wanted to help, they’d massively spin up serum testing, making it available to anyone who wants it. Results directly to the person tested as fast as possible and statistics collected. Give everyone a more accurate indication of what is really going on with the virus and allow people to make their own decisions.
If stores want to require masks and one way traffic fine. If folks think that is asinine, let them take their business to other stores taking a more relaxed approach. Gosh, it almost sounds like a free market.
Give a free people the information to make their own decisions and let them live with the consequences of their decisions.
I know, it is a really crazy idea...
April 11, 2020, 12:06 PM
a1abdjquote:
If stores want to require masks and one way traffic fine. If folks think that is asinine, let them take their business to other stores taking a more relaxed approach. Gosh, it almost sounds like a free market.
Although I agree in principal, many of these businesses are doing this because the government will close them if they don’t.