Perhaps anyone who dies and who has suffered financially from the Shutdown, should be counted as a Shutdown Fatality.

I haven't watched cable news or read internet news sites since Saturday. I was just about to take a peek this afternoon till I read thru the last couple pages of this thread. Nope, continuing my media black out.

National Guard uses Enterprise rental vans to pick up hundreds of dead bodies from New York City homes - as the city prepares to include suspected coronavirus cases in the death toll amid test shortage

By Frances Mulraney For Dailymail.com Published: 19:06 EDT, 8 April 2020 | Updated: 02:12 EDT, 9 April 2020

The National Guard is renting vans to transport hundreds of dead bodies from their New York City homes as a startling number of people are dying there without ever being treated for coronavirus.



City officials announced Wednesday that they will begin counting people who died at home and who had not been tested or treated for coronavirus in the official death toll.

Shocking figures emerged confirming that there are now between 200 and 250 New Yorkers dying in their homes every day, and Mayor Bill de Blasio confirmed that it is believed the recent spike is directly linked to coronavirus.

On a typical day, around 25 people would be found dead in their home in New York City.

The revelation sparked fears that the city's death toll is drastically undercounted, even as it soared to 4,260 on Wednesday and images emerged of the National Guard taking people from their homes in body bags.

As seen in the Daily Beast, members of the National Guard have been drafted into collecting bodies from home, as the stretched emergency services battle against a surge in 911 calls.



The city's overwhelmed services are using rental Enterprise vans as they struggle to respond to the overwhelming numbers dying at home.

A spokesperson for the New York National Guard confirmed that rental vans are being used during the mission as 'additional vehicles' were needed.

They have been using the vans since the mission began a week ago.

Enterprise were also reached out to for comment but had not yet responded.

On Tuesday alone, 256 people died at home in New York City. Before April, this number was generally 25 a day, meaning that ten times the normal number are now passing away at their own house.

The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths.

In the past two weeks, first responders reported 2,192 'dead-on-arrival' calls, compared to 453 at the same time last year.

The number of calls referencing cardiac or respiratory arrest has also drastically risen from 20 to 30 a day at the end of March and the beginning of April in 2019, to 322 on one day in April in 2020.

There have been more than 100 calls a day since March 28.

The fatality rate on these calls is also much higher than usual and had risen to 75 percent by April 5.

In 2019, the fatality rate was between 30 and 50 percent.

Asked about the fire department numbers at a press conference Tuesday, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged that deaths at home haven't been fully accounted for.

'I am assuming the vast majority of those deaths are coronavirus related,' de Blasio said during his Tuesday briefing of the people who have died at home.

'It's understandable in a crisis that being able to make the confirmation is harder to do with all the resources stretched so thin…The first use of all of everything we've got – our professionals, our health care workers, our resources – the first thing we are focused on is saving the next life.

'We do want to know the truth about what happened in every death at home,' he added.

'But I think we can say at this point, it's right to assume the vast majority are coronavirus related and that makes it even more sober, the sense of how many people we are losing, how many families are suffering, how real this crisis is.'

'The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) and the NYC Health Department are working together to include into their reports deaths that may be linked to COVID but not lab confirmed that occur at home,' said NYC Health Department spokesperson Stephanie Buhle in a statement.

The city said Wednesday that it will begin to include the numbers who die at home but it is not clear when it will start.

'Every person with a lab-confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis is counted in the number of fatalities, whether they passed away at home or in a hospital,' a spokesperson for the NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene said in a statement to The Daily Beast.

'The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) and the NYC Health Department are working together to include into their reports deaths that may be linked to COVID but not lab-confirmed that occur at home.'

New York City has seen more deaths in the last number of days than during the September 11 terror attacks.

It was believed the outbreak could have been reaching its peak as the city's hospital system received fewer new admissions but the news on increased deaths at home has sparked further fears.

'We never saw anything like this in normal times,' Mayor de Blasio said.

'We have to acknowledge that, and say this is further evidence of just how destructive this disease is.'

The coronavirus death toll in New York City hit more than 4,200 Wednesday.

On Tuesday evening deaths had risen by 806 to 3,544 in just 24 hours. The figure is almost double the number of deaths recorded Monday in the country's coronavirus epicenter.

The nationwide death toll rose by almost 2,000 yesterday - America's deadliest day from the virus yet - and currently stands at 14,831.

It comes Central Park was transformed into a 68-bed makeshift field hospital in just 48 hours to take the pressure off overwhelmed hospitals in the city.

The hospital has 41 patients currently - three of which are in the ICU - mostly from the hardest-hit boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens.

The facility, run by Christian humanitarian group Samaritan's Purse has just over 70 medics and can take 10 intensive care patients.

Samaritan’s Purse COVID Response team lead Dr Elliott Tenpenny told MSNBC: 'We're taking more patients all the time to help the people in New York City.

'In partnership with Mount Sinai, we're accepting patients and each day a certain number come through and we receive them throughout the day.'

Mayor de Blasio has been pushed in recent days to comment on how the city intends to handle the surge in bodies as the coronavirus deaths continue to increase and as information spread that a city park may be used to temporarily bury bodies.

Drone footage released Tuesday shows inmates in hazmat suits digging graves on NYC's Hart Island suggesting that coronavirus victims could already be being temporarily buried there, as morgues across the city continue to overflow and the death toll ticks up.

The footage taken on Thursday - which is the day bodies are buried there every week - by The Hart Island Project shows inmates in hazmat suits digging graves on the island, possibly for victims of the virus which has claimed more than 4,200 lives across New York City and sickened more than 80,000. Ordinarily prisoners are seen digging in their prison uniforms.

Mayor Bill de Blasio did not confirm whether burials for coronavirus victims had been or would take place there but told reporters Monday: 'We may well be dealing with temporary burials so we can then deal with each family later.

'Obviously, the place we have used historically is Hart Island.'

Hart Island is ordinarily used to bury unidentified or unclaimed bodies. It was used for bodies after the Spanish Flu.

Public officials sparked panic and disgust this week by claiming some of the dead would be temporarily buried in public parks across the city.

The city's 2008 Pandemic Influenza Surge Plan states that Hart Island would be used as a temporary burial site in the event the death toll reaches the tens of thousands and if other storage, such as the refrigerator trucks parked outside hospitals, is full.

The mayor's spokeswoman, Freddi Goldstein, stressed that the city government was not considering using local parks as cemeteries.

But she added that Hart Island, where around one million New Yorkers are already buried in mass graves, may be used 'for temporary burials, if the need grows'.

Our governor (bucking for VP) just extended our lock down to 30 April, and forced additional restrictions on stores so if you thought it was hard to shop before it's going to get a lot worse. Thanks a lot.

And the screen shot of her signing this into effect on page 346? The grinning jackass behind her is Lt. Gov. Gilchrist. Michigans Obama clone.
If Wretched Gretchen is tapped for VP, as some have speculated, we will be stuck with him. And 1K fine for not social distancing? Nope. Wont pay. Go ahead and jail me. I can watch TV in the day room just like I can at home.

To nobody's surprise, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer today extended Michigan's lockdown to the end of April.

I guaran-fracking-tee you this is going to start wearing thin on people--probably sooner, rather than later. And a large part of the reason is the uneven and illogical nature of the rules. I'm an above-average cooperative, law-abiding guy, but...

We've got a couple broken sprinkler heads and it's time for the spring fertilizer application. Getting past time, in fact. Called my landscaping supply company. They're open, because, get this: They supply to municipalities. But if I go over there, get stopped by a cop, he asks me where I'm going and why, I tell him and he decides that's non-essential: $1,000 misdemeanor ticket for breaking the travel ban. So it's ok for municipalities to maintain municipality lawns and gardens, but not me?

I don't think so, Tim

Considering the fact I'll go gloved and masked, follow rigorous decontamination protocols, and will practice safe distancing throughout the trip: Odds of there being any threat to me, or me being any threat to anybody else are about as close to zero as they can be.

My wife and I have, literally, thousands of dollars and God knows how many hundreds of hours into the lawn and gardens. I'm not letting that go to rot. I will be going.

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
Also needed is data on how many people were exposed and have antibodies to the virus but never got sick. It could turn out that the true "death rate" is much lower than currently estimated.

No, common sense and statistical modeling (if any were done) would lead one to understand that a whole lot more people have been infected with the virus than is being reflected in the "Confirmed Cases" figure reported in current modeling. And since bodies aren't stacking up like cordwood in parking lots around the country, one can also speculate that a whole lot of those inflected have recovered or never were beset with symptoms. As such, the mortality rate is significantly lower than the percentage being thrown around in the media and by the 'experts'.

And count me as another "Outstanding" on the news about Boris Johnson.

Vice President Pence has barred Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx from appearing on CNN, maybe now CNN will show Trumps daily updates.

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Originally posted by SIG228:
The fact is, 39 people dead in Oregon....

How many died of each cause of death listed below:
- a fever
- dysentery
- measles
- cholera
- typhoid
- exhaustion
- snakebite
- a broken leg
- a broken arm
- drowning
- trampled by stampeding bison
- trampled by stampeding oxen

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
....

But if I go over there, get stopped by a cop, he asks me where I'm going and why, I tell him and he decides that's non-essential: $1,000 misdemeanor ticket for breaking the travel ban. ....

That is freaking crazy. How are they fining you? The cop is the one who decides what is legal travel on the spot? Did they pass a law, or does the Queen of Michigan just get to say who can leave their house or not? How many new judges have they hired to deal with all the cases? I wouldn't pay the fine or allow it to stop me from buying something I needed for my house.

I’m trying to stay positive...I’m in the geezer club so I’m careful as I can be...today is my grandson’s 10th birthday so I sent him an e-card and dropped his presents off at my daughters house (wiped them down with Lysol wipes after Amazon delivered them)...this is like nothing I’ve ever seen ...you’ve got to laugh to keep sanity...I’ve found YouTube is a part of keeping me entertained




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/MH4TVYT1OYQ

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Originally posted by liner:
Vice President Pence has barred Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx from appearing on CNN, maybe now CNN will show Trumps daily updates.

If true.....it's about damn time, actually way past time, to get that attention whore away from the camera. Birx is almost as bad.

Louisiana town uses siren fro The Purge movies to signal curfew.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/loui...ew/story?id=70043249

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
National Guard uses Enterprise rental vans to pick up hundreds of dead bodies from New York City homes - as the city prepares to include suspected coronavirus cases in the death toll amid test shortage

Now this might indeed be a very interesting development in the number crunching. I'll continue to look for updates to this story to see where it goes.

However, this is yet another example of why I loathe the media so damn much. Had the title to this story been..."National Guard uses Enterprise rental vans to pick up dead bodies from New York City homes as the city prepares to include suspected coronavirus cases in the death toll", I'd have had little issue with it (though it is possible they'll also be picking up the bodies of people who expired from any number of reasons given how stretched city resources are right now). But the media has 'zero' idea how many bodies the national guard will be dealing with, and these deaths (whatever the actual number) may not have anything to do with testing. It just might be that these people were so terrified by the media and others, they opted to stay in their homes thinking they'd be better off trying to recover there then venturing out into the local hospitals where "everyone is dying". And if that's the case, many people may have unnecessarily died from not getting their regular treatments for any number of ailments. And if that does turn out to be the case, people need to fry for it.

Yet again an otherwise accurate article title had to be sensationalized to raise the shock value and to feed a narrative.

^^ Yep. And the narrative will be fed further when New York City blames the Kung Flu for all of their deaths and then screams about how much more resources they need to be given by the federales and how many more resources need to be appropriated from other counties in New York. Whee!

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Originally posted by tleo205:

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Originally posted by liner:
Vice President Pence has barred Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx from appearing on CNN, maybe now CNN will show Trumps daily updates.

If true.....it's about damn time, actually way past time, to get that attention whore away from the camera. Birx is almost as bad.

It also makes no sense to have two members of the administration answering the same question twice. The game being played was to make a lot of noise out of not being at Trump's press conference and then avoid missing out on any news developments there by having Fauci or someone else answer the same questions in a separate interview.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
But if I go over there, get stopped by a cop, he asks me where I'm going and why, I tell him and he decides that's non-essential: $1,000 misdemeanor ticket for breaking the travel ban. ....

That is freaking crazy. How are they fining you? The cop is the one who decides what is legal travel on the spot?

Yup. It's at the LEO's discretion.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Did they pass a law, or does the Queen of Michigan just get to say who can leave their house or not?

A lawyer on one of this morning's TV shows argues that, yes: The Constitution allows the suspension of certain civil liberties in response to a crisis and Michigan law explicitly allows the same.

I'm not so sure about the Constitutional question and I'm not going to go wading through Michigan's Constitution and compiled law to find out.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
How many new judges have they hired to deal with all the cases?

So far I believe that majority of Michiganians have been going along with the State's edicts. If even I am beginning to chafe at them, I suspect that won't obtain for much longer.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I wouldn't pay the fine or allow it to stop me from buying something I needed for my house.

Oh, I will go to court on this one if it happens.

Now even I am becoming a mite annoyed. And it isn't just because I'm the one impacted in this case. They've also declared lawn and landscaping services non-essential. Oh really? Have the state, counties, and municipalities all suspended their property maintenance? Have they suspended the property maintenance of the Governor's Mansion?

^^ Is there an existing statute they are fining people under, or did you Queen just pull the amount out of thin air? Do you know what the actual charge is?

Kinda of curious where people used to die in NYC before they where ordered to stay in their homes?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
^^ Is there an existing statute they are fining people under, or did you Queen just pull the amount out of thin air? Do you know what the actual charge is?

There's either a statute, Michigan Constitutional language, or both. The lawyer mentioned them, but didn't cite the exact sections or language.

Allegedly, both the Governor and the Michigan Dept. of Health and Human Services have such powers.

I say just get a couple hundred bikers out, any kind. Too much punch drunk control freaks out there getting off turning America into a coast to coast velvet prison.