When will the coronavirus arrive in the US? (Disease: COVID-19; Virus: SARS-CoV-2)
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Originally posted by Il Cattivo: Eh, even then the answer may be "multiple causes" or something "aggravated by" the Kung Flu. Data gathering is a notoriously sloppy buisness, particularly when dealing with the unfamiliar.
I wouldn't call labeling everyone who dies as dying from the Corona virus "data gathering" at all. It's like ballot harvesting only using real people instead of ballots.
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April 08, 2020, 10:08 AM
Balzé Halzé
"Sooner rather later."
Tomorrow!
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April 08, 2020, 10:16 AM
Skins2881
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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
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Originally posted by lastmanstanding: How about we let a medical examiner determine the cause of the death seeing as how that is their specialty.
THIS....Exactly!
We don't have enough people to preform autopsies for them all. I'm also not sure if it's been discussed if the dead bodies can spread infection.
The majority of New York’s more than 4,700 deaths due to coronavirus were among men, and 86% of all deaths were among people who had underlying illnesses, such as hypertension and diabetes, new state data shows.
The statistics released late Monday offered the latest glimpse into how the rapidly spreading virus has impacted New York and made it the epicenter for COVID-19 in the nation.
Of the 4,758 deaths in New York since the first on March 14, 61% were men and 39% were women, the state Department of Health reportedon its new data portal.
In addition, 63% of the deaths were among those age 70 and older, while 7% of the cases were those 49 and younger.
And 4,089 of those who died had at least one other chronic disease, the records showed:
The leading underlying illness was hypertension, which showed up in 55% of the deaths.
Next was diabetes, which was diagnosed in 1,755 deaths, or about 37% of the cases.
Other top illnesses found in those who died from coronavirus were hyperlipidemia; coronary artery disease; renal disease and dementia.
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hypertension - high blood pressure
hyperlipidemia - abnormally high levels of fats (lipids) in the blood. The two major types of lipids found in the blood are triglycerides and cholesterol.
renal disease - kidney disease
Since all of these are correlated with age, I'm not sure how significant this is.
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April 08, 2020, 10:22 AM
holdem
I appreciate Trump's enthusiasm. And I agree, it must be open sooner rather than later. Come May 1st, the gears 100% have to start turning towards economic motion again.
But it will not boom before his re-election. Not a chance in hell. Too much damage has been done and getting this economy moving again will be a HUGE effort and take lots of time.
April 08, 2020, 10:26 AM
Fenris
So if an asymptomatic person is in a car crash, decapitated and shot in the head that is scored as a Wuhan kill?
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April 08, 2020, 10:35 AM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by Fenris: So if an asymptomatic person is in a car crash, decapitated and shot in the head that is scored as a Wuhan kill?
That does appear to be the metrics they are using, yes.
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April 08, 2020, 10:37 AM
Patrick-SP2022
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car crash, decapitated and shot in the head
These will be marked as underlying illnesses. It is the Wuhan-rona that did 'em in.
April 08, 2020, 10:37 AM
Ryanp225
More reported cases equal more relief funding. Gee, I don't know why anyone would ever fudge the numbers to make it look worse than it is.
April 08, 2020, 10:39 AM
DaBigBR
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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO: And the IHME Model is now (8 April) down to 60,415 deaths by Aug 4th, it was 81,766 on April 6.
Peak Resource Usage and Peak Death days all pulled in significantly.
A 20% drop!
Only in the Public sector would such grossly inaccurate estimations be acceptable. I understand new data is coming to light - but they should just then put a huge * next to the numbers and below say "* We Don't Know Much and are making it up as we go"
The estimations made by a model are based on conditions and trends at the time it is made. They are going to change over time.
The unfortunate thing is that people will fall into two camps: those that believe the model was that far off and that's all there is to it and those that believe that all of the distancing and isolation is the sole reason for the change in numbers. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
April 08, 2020, 10:42 AM
stoic-one
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The unfortunate thing is that people will fall into two camps: those that believe the model was that far off and that's all there is to it and those that believe that all of the distancing and isolation is the sole reason for the change in numbers. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
When you base your actions on statistics, everyone's a winner!!
Originally posted by Fenris: So if an asymptomatic person is in a car crash, decapitated and shot in the head that is scored as a Wuhan kill?
That is pretty silly. Why would they waste a test on a dead person? Especially one who cause of death was apparent?
What they are not doing is trying to determine someone who was infected and under treatment for COVID19 and had a heart attack if the heart attack was caused by COVID or if they would have had a heart attack absent CV19.
Either way it would be impossible to tell that. Best they could do was say heart attack with contributing factor of Wu Flu.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis
April 08, 2020, 11:18 AM
SigSentry
April 08, 2020, 11:25 AM
sdy
Guess what CNN is accusing President Trump of now ?
CNN’s Maggie Haberman:
I do think, John, just based on other reporting we have, that [Trump’s] interest in [hydroxychloroquine] is primarily about the fact that it has been suggested to him by people who he knows, including Larry Ellison at Oracle, Dr. Oz on television suggested this, and the president has gotten more interested in what TV doctors have to say than some of the people in his own administration.
But mostly, John, I think he’s looking for a quick fix out of this . And I really do believe that that is his main focus. I have no way of knowing if that’s the only one. But I do think that’s the main one.
April 08, 2020, 11:30 AM
Pipe Smoker
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Originally posted by holdem: I appreciate Trump's enthusiasm. And I agree, it must be open sooner rather than later. Come May 1st, the gears 100% have to start turning towards economic motion again.
But it will not boom before his re-election. Not a chance in hell. Too much damage has been done and getting this economy moving again will be a HUGE effort and take lots of time.
I see the possibility of a boom before the 2020 election, given the huge federal spending programs recently enacted.
But those, and much lower tax revenues, portend major inflation at some point in the future. Just a question of when, not if.
Serious about crackers.
April 08, 2020, 11:32 AM
6guns
Yeah, shame on him for wanting a quick fix out of this.
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April 08, 2020, 11:33 AM
Il Cattivo
Er, the election's in November and all Trump needs to get a good tailwind is the beginning of a boom. The only mistake he can make is letting Pelosi and Schumer slow down the appearance of the beginning of a boom by letting the federal government spend money wildly in every which direction.
April 08, 2020, 12:06 PM
rburg
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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
and much lower tax revenues, portend major inflation at some point in the future. Just a question of when, not if.
Now the arguing in this thread has stumbled upon a useful tidbit. I've been thinking about this for a while now and wonder what a good strategy will be to protect against it. We learned back in the '80s that it will literally kill your savings if you're locked into a low interest rate.
I stumbled into Treasury I bonds 20 years ago. They did a decent job when interest rates dropped to the cellar. They were designed to insulate against surging rates but did well with the opposite. Of course the Obama administration radically lowered the amount you could buy per year, kind of killing the attractiveness of them. Its not really an investment as much as a hedge.
There's got to be another hedge we could use against inflation. Anyone know?
Unhappy ammo seeker
April 08, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jimbo Jones
For sure...the only way the Dems get what they want (make Trump look bad, more govt control over American's way of life) is if it drags on.....
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Originally posted by 6guns: Yeah, shame on him for wanting a quick fix out of this.
--------------------------------------- It's like my brain's a tree and you're those little cookie elves.
April 08, 2020, 12:27 PM
bdylan
Politically, leftist need this to drag on through the election. That's the narrative right now, but folks seem to think it's all about our safety.
