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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:

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Originally posted by Doc H.:
I'll use a SIG analogy, since this is SIGforum.  You're standing on the trail, your .40 S&W P229 on your hip (yeah, I'd have picked something else in grizzly country too).  Around the next bend, a large grizzly appears.  Could be a male, could be a female, could be a mad momma guarding cubs, could be a big yearling out for a stroll.  You can't tell.  It sees you, and starts a moderate shamble toward you.  Not particularly threatening, not particularly fast, and it doesn't look particularly mad.  But close, and getting closer. What you don't know, is that it just attacked and killed, and partially ate a couple of hikers further down the trail.  Or maybe it didn't. 


You could jump up and down and yell, and maybe confuse it, and then take off down the trail to your Jeep, close by, and you might make it.  Or it might turn or take off, and nobody gets hurt.  You know if you shoot it, you might just piss it off, .40 S&W being what it is and all, and it will rip your legs off before it eats you, too.  Or you might be able to empty a magazine in its head and kill it (you're a pretty good shot), or at least mightily discourage it so it doesn't rip your legs off and just gives you a swat in passing.  You only have a few seconds, and only time for one option.


As your spirit rises above the trees and looks down at your mangled corpse being consumed, you fleetingly think, "If I had only made the other choice...."

Many pandemics have come along in recent times - Avian flu, swine flu, SARS, etc. They all killed thousands. Yet, this is the first time we have seen this kind of response. No one was clamoring for the nuclear option back then, and no one that I'm aware of has looked back in hindsight at the thousands of deaths and said "If only we had made a different choice."

Is this going to be the new normal for any new virus? How long will the country survive if we flip the off switch on the economy every few years?

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Originally posted by was0311:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I know what the “intent” is. I’m talking about the damage to the economy that could be exacerbated. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

There’s a lot of very bad things that can happen with extended periods of very high unemployment due to their actions. And that’s all I’m going to say.

The economy will recover, dead people don't.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Is this going to be the new normal for any new virus?

Only if the president is name Donald Trump.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Is this going to be the new normal for any new virus?

Only if the president is name Donald Trump.

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Educate yourself, please.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
https://mises.org/power-market...conomy-because-virus

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If it is indeed true that American hospitals are soon to be overwhelmed by virus patients, it is not a recommendation for more central planning, enforced by redirecting scant law enforcement resources to enforcing martial law.

It is a damning indictment of just how socialist—and hence sclerotic, rigid, and brittle—our healthcare industry has been forced to become under the degree of socialized medicine that we already have. We are not fully socialist yet. Hence, we are not Cuba yet.

To put it bluntly, bullshit.

Hospitals and our healthcare system operate with just a little bit of excess capacity because to do otherwise is to incur a lot of extra expense with no offsetting revenue (you know... capitalism).

If a huge surge in demand occurs in a very short amount of time, capitalism can't magically make more hospitals and doctors and nurses and medical supplies appear instantly. Neither can anything else.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Educate yourself, please.

Was that directed to me?

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
If you think this mess is Trump’s fault, absolutely.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Many pandemics have come along in recent times - Avian flu, swine flu, SARS, etc. They all killed thousands.

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Originally posted by maladat:
COVID-19 obviously spreads through human populations and hasn't been contained. Current data suggests it is much more deadly (and, equally concerning, results in many more hospitalizations) than swine flu.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
https://mises.org/power-market...conomy-because-virus

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If it is indeed true that American hospitals are soon to be overwhelmed by virus patients, it is not a recommendation for more central planning, enforced by redirecting scant law enforcement resources to enforcing martial law.

It is a damning indictment of just how socialist—and hence sclerotic, rigid, and brittle—our healthcare industry has been forced to become under the degree of socialized medicine that we already have. We are not fully socialist yet. Hence, we are not Cuba yet.

To put it bluntly, bullshit.

Hospitals and our healthcare system operate with just a little bit of excess capacity because to do otherwise is to incur a lot of extra expense with no offsetting revenue (you know... capitalism).

If a huge surge in demand occurs in a very short amount of time, capitalism can't magically make more hospitals and doctors and nurses and medical supplies appear instantly. Neither can anything else.

There isn’t much left of healthcare that isn’t socialized. It’s much, much closer to socialism than it is to capitalism. If we had a healthcare system based on capitalism there would be a higher surplus of capacity and our healthcare system would be quicker to adapt to surges in patients.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
There isn’t much left of healthcare that isn’t socialized. It’s much, much closer to socialism than it is to capitalism. If we had a healthcare system based on capitalism there would be a higher surplus of capacity and our healthcare system would be quicker to adapt to surges in patients.

In what possible world do a bunch of empty hospital rooms that cost money to maintain, full of unused equipment that cost money to buy, that don't generate any revenue the vast majority of the time, make ANY sense from a pure bottom-line how-much-money-can-I-make-running-this-hospital point of view?

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Many pandemics have come along in recent times - Avian flu, swine flu, SARS, etc. They all killed thousands.

Avian flu has a very high mortality rate but is rare and not very transmissible between humans. From February 2013 to June 2019, there were 1568 confirmed cases in humans with 616 deaths. http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/...date_2019_06_05.html

Swine flu is extremely transmissible, but if anything, less deadly even than seasonal flu. In 2009, about 60 million Americans contracted swine flu and about 12,000 died. This is somewhat more cases and somewhat fewer deaths than a typical seasonal flu. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandem...9-h1n1-pandemic.html

During the 2003 outbreak, worldwide, there were 8,098 confirmed cases of SARS with 774 deaths. There were eight confirmed cases in the US, all imported (no confirmed community spread in the US). https://www.cdc.gov/sars/about/fs-sars.html

To summarize: avian flu doesn't spread through human populations, swine flu isn't very deadly, and SARS was contained early.

COVID-19 obviously spreads through human populations and hasn't been contained. Current data suggests it is much more deadly (and, equally concerning, results in many more hospitalizations) than swine flu.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Patriot:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Frankly, this crap needs to end tomorrow.

I’m in the no camp on this...

This flu is ravaging and kills in days. Left unchecked, the pace at which it would overtake us would be decimating.

It that were the case all the people that have tested positive would be dead. Most people have no symptoms or mild symptoms and then are fine.

Settle down.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
There isn’t much left of healthcare that isn’t socialized. It’s much, much closer to socialism than it is to capitalism. If we had a healthcare system based on capitalism there would be a higher surplus of capacity and our healthcare system would be quicker to adapt to surges in patients.

In what possible world do a bunch of empty hospital rooms that cost money to maintain, full of unused equipment that cost money to buy, that don't generate any revenue the vast majority of the time, make ANY sense from a pure bottom-line how-much-money-can-I-make-running-this-hospital point of view?

I didn’t say anything about a “bunch” of empty hospital rooms. All of the hospitals around here are at capacity during normal times. The one 10 miles away even regularly has overflow in the ER and patient rooms. That was before da virus scare.

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Time for a little humor?

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Educate yourself, please.

Was that directed to me?

If you think this mess is Trump’s fault, absolutely.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
If you think this mess is Trump’s fault, absolutely.

I think he's blaming Trump "only" for the shutdown mania.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
If you think this mess is Trump’s fault, absolutely.

I think he's blaming Trump "only" for the shutdown mania.

I don't blame President Trump for anything. I consider the best president we've ever had....in my lifetime anyway. I'm staying the leftists would create this mania again if President Trump were president. Period!