From the NYT article. We know the NYT is biased hard left, at least editorially, but I would hope they are not reporting unverified sensationalism here:

"A senior Chinese official has ordered the authorities in the city of Wuhan to immediately round up all residents who have been infected with the coronavirus and place them in isolation, quarantine or designated hospitals.

Sun Chunlan, a vice premier tasked with leading the central government’s response to the outbreak that is centered in Wuhan, said city investigators should go to each home to check the temperatures of every resident and interview infected patients’ close contacts.

'Set up a 24-hour duty system. During these wartime conditions, there must be no deserters, or they will be nailed to the pillar of historical shame forever,' Ms. Sun said.

The city’s authorities have raced to meet these instructions by setting up makeshift mass quarantine shelters this week. The shelters are meant for coronavirus patients with milder symptoms, the government has said. But concerns are growing about whether the centers, which will house thousands of people in large spaces, will be able to provide even basic care to patients and protect against the risk of further infection.

According to a widely shared post on Weibo, a popular social media site, “conditions were very poor” at an exhibition center that had been converted into a quarantine facility. There were power failures and electric blankets could not be turned on, the user wrote, citing a relative who had been taken there, saying that people had to “shiver in their sleep.”

There was also a staff shortage, the post said, where “doctors and nurses were not seen to be taking note of symptoms and distributing medicine,” and oxygen devices were “seriously lacking.”

The quarantine comes amid a lockdown of the city and much of the surrounding province of Hubei that has exacerbated a shortage of medical supplies, testing kits and hospital beds."

If this is true, the Chinese gov't is prepared to contain this bug by any means necessary. I don't think we need to worry about it getting very far outside China. But anyone in the quarantine/detention centers has a lot to worry about...

Despite all the posturing of its government, China is still essentially a third world country.

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Despite all the posturing of its government, China is still essentially a third world country.

Depending on location/vocation, but overall I agree. The chinese government is generally very cruel to its citizens, at least that's my impression. Chinese citizens overall are extremely passive and tolerant people to the evil whims of their own government. My guess is it's cultural, given their long history of internal power struggles. But back to your point, incompetent too.

The virus may have come from an anteater (Pangolin)- they are apparently eaten regularly in Asia.

Chinese scientists say a scaly anteater could be coronavirus host

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The chinese government is generally very cruel to its citizens, at least that's my impression.

Yeah, I’d say it’s pretty cruel to round people up and throw them into jail or worse for expressing themselves and/or practicing a religion. It IS a communist country.

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The virus may have come from an anteater (Pangolin)

Sort of like Pangolin Revenge for eating them into extinction.

Scientists question work suggesting pangolin coronavirus link

https://www.reuters.com/articl...s-host-idUSKBN2010XA

ONDON/BEIJING (Reuters) - Independent scientists questioned research on Friday that suggested that the outbreak of coronavirus disease spreading from China might have passed from bats to humans through the illegal traffic of pangolins.

South China Agricultural University, which said it had led the research, said on its website that the “discovery will be of great significance for the prevention and control of the origin (of the new virus)”.

China’s official Xinhua news agency reported that the genome sequence of the novel coronavirus strain separated from pangolins in the study was 99% identical to that from infected people. It said the research had found pangolins - the world’s only scaly mammals - to be “the most likely intermediate host.”

But James Wood, head of the veterinary medicine department at Britain’s University of Cambridge, said the research was far from robust.

“The evidence for the potential involvement of pangolins in the outbreak has not been published, other than by a university press release. This is not scientific evidence,” he said.

“Simply reporting detection of viral RNA with sequence similarity of more than 99% is not sufficient. Could these results have been caused by contamination from a highly infected environment?”

Pangolins are one of Asia’s most trafficked mammals, despite laws banning the trade, because their meat is considered a delicacy in countries such as China and their scales are used in traditional medicine.

The outbreak of disease caused by the new coronavirus, which has killed 636 people in mainland China, is believed to have started in a market in the city of Wuhan that also sold live wild animals.

Virus experts think it may have originated in bats and then passed to humans, possibly via another species.

Jonathan Ball, a professor of molecular virology at Britain’s University of Nottingham, said that while the South China Agricultural University research was an interesting development, it was still unclear “whether or not the endangered pangolin really is the reservoir”.

“We would need to see all of the genetic data to get a feel for how related the human and pangolin viruses are, and also gain an understanding of how prevalent this virus is in pangolins and whether or not these were being sold in the Wuhan wet markets,” he said.

Dirk Pfeiffer, a professor of veterinary medicine at Hong Kong’s City University, also said the research was a long way from establishing a link between pangolins and the new coronavirus outbreak in humans.

“You can only draw more definitive conclusions if you compare prevalence (of the coronavirus) between different species based on representative samples, which these almost certainly are not,” he said.

27 Chinese passengers on cruise ship docked in New Jersey have coronvirus/flu like symptoms. EMS teams took 4 of the patients to local hospitals for treatment. The EMS workers were not wearing gloves, masks, or any protective gear, and were transported in regular ambulances!!! The patients themselves were not required to wear mask either!!

Ship quarantine to make sure that its not coronavirus?? No way! All 6000 passengers allowed to get off the ship, get on airplanes, and travel all over the country and world via public transportation.

But dont worry, the mayor says they are prepared. Un-fucking believable.

This country will literally burn to the ground in 6 months if this virus kicks off, and these fucks could care less.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health...rus-4-taken-n1132266

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Originally posted by Dzozer:
The virus may have come from an anteater (Pangolin)

Sort of like Pangolin Revenge for eating them into extinction.

Was just thinking the same.
Thanks to gullible people buying into old wives tales and bullshit snake oil salesman posing as 'traditional herbal specialists', these people are all too willing.

What do we expect from a ridiculous culture that thinks eating a tiger's dick will make yours bigger?

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What do we expect from a ridiculous culture that thinks eating a tiger's dick will make yours bigger?

Wait. It doesn't?

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27 Chinese passengers on cruise ship docked in New Jersey have coronvirus/flu like symptoms. EMS teams took 4 of the patients to local hospitals for treatment. The EMS workers were not wearing gloves, masks, or any protective gear, and were transported in regular ambulances!!! The patients themselves were not required to wear mask either!!

Ship quarantine to make sure that its not coronavirus?? No way! All 6000 passengers allowed to get off the ship, get on airplanes, and travel all over the country and world via public transportation.

But dont worry, the mayor says they are prepared. Un-fucking believable.

This country will literally burn to the ground in 6 months if this virus kicks off, and these fucks could care less.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health...rus-4-taken-n1132266

What an unbelievable act of ignorance; why are people returning from China being quarantined if this kind asshattery is allowed to go on? It's not as if people aren't actively talking about the subject every damn day!

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
What do we expect from a ridiculous culture that thinks eating a tiger's dick will make yours bigger?

Wait. It doesn't?

Dammit! You mean all that money I've spent on tiger dick powder was wasted?

I guess it's back to rhino horns.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
What do we expect from a ridiculous culture that thinks eating a tiger's dick will make yours bigger?

Wait. It doesn't?

Dammit! You mean all that money I've spent on tiger dick powder was wasted?

I guess it's back to rhino horns.

And anteater brains. They give you smarts, dontcha know?

The CCP is keeping a lid on things and keeping the word from getting out.
American Correspondent Michael Yon Denied Entry to Hong Kong

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Hong Kong authorities on Wednesday prevented an American journalist from entering the city, in the latest move by officials to prevent those critical of Beijing from entering the semiautonomous enclave.

Michael Yon, a war correspondent famous for his lengthy embeds with the U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, told TIME that he believes he was barred from Hong Kong and sent back to Thailand for his work covering anti-government protests that gripped Hong Kong for the second half of 2019.

“I’m calling them out, I’ve just generally been a pain for them,” Yon said Wednesday via phone from a Bangkok airport following his deportation.

Yon, who runs his own website, said that he had spent hundreds of hours live-streaming protests, including clashes between the protesters and the police, to help bring the world’s attention to the anti-government protesters, who he openly supports.

Quick interview with Yon from Thailand

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bubbatime:
27 Chinese passengers on cruise ship docked in New Jersey have coronvirus/flu like symptoms.

I wonder how many will actually fly back to China

The U.S. has sent nearly 18 million tons of privately donated supplies, including masks and hospital gowns, to Wuhan.

https://abcnews.go.com/Interna...o_live_headlines_hed



Wooooahhh! Eighteen MILLION tons?

Sounding more and more like a 7 way fluster cluck with every passing moment. Rather than cooperation with the world on this thing, China seems more secretive than ever. Troubling to say the least.

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Wait. It doesn't?

Sorry you guys, the tiger must still be alive!

New Details on Asymptomatic Coronavirus Transmission
NEJM authors detail patient's day-to-day symptoms or lack thereof

https://www.medpagetoday.com/i...e/publichealth/84765

February 07, 2020

New details have emerged surrounding the contested report of asymptomatic transmission of the novel coronavirus in Germany.

Responding to criticism that they had omitted key facts about the index patient -- a Shanghai resident who had traveled to Germany for business -- researchers spoke with the woman in question and relayed a timeline of how her illness developed, including the days before it became clear she was ill.

In a supplementary appendix to their letter in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), Camilla Rothe, MD, of University Hospital LMU Munich, and colleagues reported that the Shanghai woman landed in Munich on the morning of Sunday Jan. 19, feeling well but having noticed a passenger some rows behind her coughing on the flight.

Throughout the next day she had various meetings and felt no symptoms of illness, but that night awoke around midnight feeling "a little bit warm, but not in a febrile way," Rothe and colleagues said the woman told them. She took an over-the-counter Chinese drug containing acetaminophen as a preventive measure due to an intense schedule of meetings the following day.

These details, that she had felt warm and taken fever-reducing medication while in Germany, were called out in Tuesday's Science report questioning whether she was truly asymptomatic during her time there. This, however, turned out to be the one time during her stay in Germany that she reported feeling warm or taking any sort of medication, according to Rothe's group.

The NEJM otherwise made no changes in the group's published report, the title of which described the Shanghai woman as an "asymptomatic contact."

On Tuesday Jan. 21, the woman recalled feeling tired around 3 p.m. and assumed this was due to the fact that it would have been her bedtime in China. She also reported minor muscle and bone pain in her chest when touching certain areas.

The patient described feeling cold on the morning of her last day in Germany, Wednesday Jan. 22, while wearing light business attire, but she resolved this by putting on a shawl. She had meetings all day and flew home that night, arriving Thursday afternoon in Shanghai, tired but otherwise feeling fine.

"I can certainly see how they would want to characterize this as a transmission in an asymptomatic phase," Fred N. Pelzman, MD, an internal medicine specialist at Weill Cornell Internal Medicine Associates in New York City, told MedPage Today. "None of what she did or felt seemed like a viral prodrome."

It was back in China on the evening of Jan. 23 that the woman started feeling ill. "This is the first moment I recognized getting sick," she told the researchers, and later reported a temperature of 100.4°F and localized chest pain. On Saturday Jan. 25, she went to a doctor and was hospitalized.

Five of her German colleagues ultimately tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

"None of us would have thought anything of this if she hadn't then subsequently come down with coronavirus and infected other people," said Pelzman, who is also a weekly blogger at MedPage Today. "There's a thin line, then there's the obvious line."

He noted that persons under investigation for the novel coronavirus in the U.S., per CDC recommendations, are those with significant symptoms and a travel history to Wuhan or those who have been exposed to someone known to be sick with the virus.