When will the coronavirus arrive in the US? (Disease: COVID-19; Virus: SARS-CoV-2)

March 15, 2020, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Ohio governor orders all restrurants to close, with take away still permitted.

It was in a video on Fox. I'm looking for a written source to cite.

March 15, 2020, 03:42 PM

TXJIM

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Silly question, under what authority do these local and state "authorities" close private businesses? I get the public safety angle, but what laws allow them to mandate/enforce controls of this type short of declaring martial law?

Serious question, please don't slam me if it seems stupid to you...

They all have state and or city health certificates that are required to operate. So the authority to shut everything down would stem from the same health laws used to regulate, no?

March 15, 2020, 03:43 PM

Balzé Halzé

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Labor and delivery units are going to be a madhouse in 9 months.

Well, my wife’s now newly pregnant again. Here’s to the Corona Babies.

Congrats!

March 15, 2020, 03:45 PM

stoic-one

quote:
Originally posted by TXJIM:
quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
Silly question, under what authority do these local and state "authorities" close private businesses? I get the public safety angle, but what laws allow them to mandate/enforce controls of this type short of declaring martial law?

Serious question, please don't slam me if it seems stupid to you...

They all have state and or city health certificates that are required to operate. So the authority to shut everything down would stem from the same health laws used to regulate, no?

I suppose they do, but is that the actual mechanism they're using? That's why I'm asking, what if someone says no?

March 15, 2020, 03:46 PM

Sig2340

Predictions on economic impact?

I'm guessing domestically we are looking at a losß of 20% of GDP.

Under- and unemployment will go up dramatically, to 12-15% in the short-term.

Our economy is going to get hurt, but not as bad as Italy will be.

March 15, 2020, 03:49 PM

scsigs

quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Predictions on economic impact?

I'm guessing domestically we are looking at a losß of 20% of GDP.

Under- and unemployment will go up dramatically, to 12-15% in the short-term.

Our economy is going to get hurt, but not as bad as Italy will be.

It's going to have a big impact.
My wife and I are going to close our business for at least 3 weeks, not our choice.

March 15, 2020, 03:50 PM

RAMIUS

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by RAMIUS:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Labor and delivery units are going to be a madhouse in 9 months.

Well, my wife’s now newly pregnant again. Here’s to the Corona Babies.

Congrats!

Thanks Balze!

March 15, 2020, 03:51 PM

PowerSurge

This bullshit will have a bigger impact than 9/11. Some airlines have basically been telling their employees it will be somewhere between the effect after 9/11 and the Great Recession. People’s wallets have been forced shut outside of necessities.

I hope I’m dead wrong.

March 15, 2020, 03:56 PM

BBMW

Some localities require all business to have a license. The locality can just rescind them. Specifically talking about restaurants and bars, they all have various health department and alcoholic beverage licensing that can suspended, revoked.

Or the executive can all in the legislature, and propose and pass specific emergency laws giving them the power to shut down whatever they feel necessary.

Now in any specific jurisdiction, how this would work is completely up to they laws in place, or quickly passed. Some executives (mayors, governors, etc.) may be overstepping their legal authority.

quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
Silly question, under what authority do these local and state "authorities" close private businesses? I get the public safety angle, but what laws allow them to mandate/enforce controls of this type short of declaring martial law?

Serious question, please don't slam me if it seems stupid to you...

March 15, 2020, 03:57 PM

BBMW

You're exactly right.

quote:
Originally posted by PowerSurge:
This bullshit will have a bigger impact than 9/11. Some airlines have basically been telling their employees it will be somewhere between the effect after 9/11 and the Great Recession. People’s wallets have been forced shut outside of necessities.

I hope I’m dead wrong.

March 15, 2020, 03:58 PM

stoic-one

quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
...Some executives (mayors, governors, etc.) may be overstepping their legal authority.

quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
Silly question, under what authority do these local and state "authorities" close private businesses? I get the public safety angle, but what laws allow them to mandate/enforce controls of this type short of declaring martial law?

Serious question, please don't slam me if it seems stupid to you...

That's kinda where I'm going with this.

March 15, 2020, 04:04 PM

TXJIM

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
quote:
Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Illinois pretty much just shut it all down...

Pritzker closes bars, restaurants across Illinois

Pritzker seems more interested in politicizing this and taking shots at Trump than anything else.

Do we have any medical professionals on the board who can explain why these drastic measures weren't necessary during the Swine Flu pandemic which infected 60 million and killed 12,000 in the US?

The easy answer is to ascribe the difference in response to politics, but it's starting to get so crazy that even I can't believe they would go this far for political purposes. Is there a real answer for why they are treating these two outbreaks so differently?

Because humans learn from experience, it is probably the most valuable evolutionary adaptation we possess. Just Google "what did we learn from swine flu". You will find pages of returns covering every angle from political, academic and medical perspectives. There are millions of written words in the press and in medical journals covering the subject. The same will happen when this current pandemic has passed and the response to the next one will be different still. It's just human nature....

March 15, 2020, 04:05 PM

midwest guy

quote:
Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
quote:
Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Illinois pretty much just shut it all down...

Pritzker closes bars, restaurants across Illinois

Pritzker seems more interested in politicizing this and taking shots at Trump than anything else.

Do we have any medical professionals on the board who can explain why these drastic measures weren't necessary during the Swine Flu pandemic which infected 60 million and killed 12,000 in the US?

The easy answer is to ascribe the difference in response to politics, but it's starting to get so crazy that even I can't believe they would go this far for political purposes. Is there a real answer for why they are treating these two outbreaks so differently?

Dr Anthony Fauci is calling for tighter constraints on crowd gatherings!

March 15, 2020, 04:11 PM

dewhorse

So concerning central Europe, we drove out of Poland today and they were locking down the highways going into Poland. Line was around a km long and growing.

The Czech lockdown starts tomorrow so they had a couple cars and a van but were not stopping anyone.

In Prague all restaurants, pubs, museums etc are closed but the shops are open.

May stop at the embassy tomorrow to clarify our traveling plans through the UK but otherwise we are planning on catching the sights we missed 2 weeks ago.

We have HS, masks goggles and gloves but at this point will probably only use them in the airports/planes.

March 15, 2020, 04:23 PM

maladat

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Do we have any medical professionals on the board who can explain why these drastic measures weren't necessary during the Swine Flu pandemic which infected 60 million and killed 12,000 in the US?

I am not a medical professional, however...

In the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic, something like twice as many Americans were infected as with a typical seasonal flu, but the number of people that died was something like one third a typical flu season, and the number of hospitalizations was approximately one half a typical flu season.

Put simply, the Swine Flu was more infectious than a normal seasonal flu, but also less severe.

So far, worldwide, there are a tiny, tiny fraction as many confirmed cases of COVID-19 as there were cases of Swine Flu in the US, but about half as many deaths.

We know there are a lot of cases of COVID-19 that haven't been detected yet. The two big questions (which we can't be sure of the answers to yet) are, how many cases are we missing (how much less severe is COVID-19 than the statistics make it appear), and how infectious is COVID-19 really?

March 15, 2020, 04:23 PM

Rightwire

quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
...Some executives (mayors, governors, etc.) may be overstepping their legal authority.

quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
Silly question, under what authority do these local and state "authorities" close private businesses? I get the public safety angle, but what laws allow them to mandate/enforce controls of this type short of declaring martial law?

Serious question, please don't slam me if it seems stupid to you...

That's kinda where I'm going with this.

I'd guess it depends on what power is granted the state government when a State of Emergency is declared.

They better fully understand the financial impact of what the are doing. There are a lot of people in thus country that live pay check to pay check and if you cut that off they are in trouble. That will have a ripple effect. Paying bartenders and servers their hourly wage won't help as most of their money is from tips.

I know people in this industry and they are hurting already due the down turn in business.

March 15, 2020, 04:23 PM

holdem

quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Predictions on economic impact?

I'm guessing domestically we are looking at a losß of 20% of GDP.

Under- and unemployment will go up dramatically, to 12-15% in the short-term.

Our economy is going to get hurt, but not as bad as Italy will be.

Anecdote from Orlando. I have two friends, married to each other, each works for a large hotel in the area. One works for a 800 room Marriott property. The other works for a 1,000 room Hilton property. I saw them both today and asked what was happening. Both said occupancy over the last week has averaged between 5-10%. They said at this time of year they should be at 99%. They said nearly all services at the hotel have been shuttered; no room service, restaurants closed, what is open has limited hours, etc. And they are going to have discussions over the next couple of days about shutting the hotels completely. The hotels will be losing less money to shut down completely vs. operating at single digit occupancy.

March 15, 2020, 04:29 PM

Pale Horse

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Originally posted by scsigs:
quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Predictions on economic impact?

I'm guessing domestically we are looking at a losß of 20% of GDP.

Under- and unemployment will go up dramatically, to 12-15% in the short-term.

Our economy is going to get hurt, but not as bad as Italy will be.

It's going to have a big impact.
My wife and I are going to close our business for at least 3 weeks, not our choice.

It’s already devastated the live events world. With sporting events, concerts and conventions cancelled the industry is in trouble. Many folks who work in this industry are freelance workers who haven’t had jobs in a month or more already.

My company laid off several people, cut hours for hourly workers, initiated pay decreases for some salary employees and converted other salary employees to hourly. I got converted to hourly so as of Monday I am not getting paid unless I’m working. And being a remote guy, I’m not working unless I’m on a show. I do have a show coming up next week so that’s good. As long as they don’t cancel.

Thankfully I live pretty much debt free and have a savings account so I’ll be okay for a while. But if this thing lasts 3 months or so I’m going to really start sweating it.