This is where we’d be with single-payer govt healthcare. We may be there anyhow, if the curve stays exponential...

An article published by the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (translated here by Yascha Mounk) warns that

"It may be necessary to establish criteria of access to intensive care not just on the basis of clinical appropriateness but inspired by the most consensual criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources." The report goes on to recommend rationing care to certain populations.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...o.html#ixzz6GfMvBwIp

Apple stores are closing for 2 weeks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...avirus-pandemic.html

Pressure’s on, Best Buy!

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Originally posted by Strambo:
I'm not following it as closely as y'all..but how in the world could the US have 480K deaths!!! when it wasn't nearly that bad in China where it originated, where there are over a billion people crammed next to each other with zero sanitation, and almost no hospital beds per capita? I get we can't trust #s out of China but if 480k could die in the US shouldn't China lose millions then? They can't cover up millions...

Which conspiracy video explains why the US will have millions of infected and hundreds of thousands of deaths when China is already over the hump and on the decline without experiencing that outcome?

You get there with unconstrained extrapolation of a limited data set. The same method that brought us global warming. Many of the predictions tell you how bad it COULD get, not necessarily what is expected to happen.

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Apparently Google’s not doing anything like what Trump claimed. Why does he do this to himself?

Why would you assume he did it to himself?

Could it be he got bad info? Could there have been a misunderstanding? Or could google be trying to torpedo Trump?

I can see the possibility that any of the three could have happened.

Maybe last-minute discussion regarding google’s help was responsible for the delay in starting his speech.

^ I trust Google as far as I can throw them. Of course Verily, Googles sister company, is working on this for the San Fran area. But Google "knows nothing about it". Google better figure it out quick. Google has a chance to step up, or they can continue to be the whining liberal bitches they've proven themselves to be.

Also, interesting that neither the White House nor Google have actually made any comment on this story. Wired.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
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Apparently Google’s not doing anything like what Trump claimed. Why does he do this to himself?

I wouldn’t say he was wrong at all. Saying it was Verily (which few people have heard of) vs Google is semantics. People know “Alphabet” as Google, regardless of what their actual name is on their quarterly reports, so I would say he spoke correctly. As far as developing the website, again I think Trump may have overstated how far along the effort to produce this website was but it seemed to me from looking at that article that Verily is starting with testing in the San Francisco area but hopes to expand beyond that area. I wouldn’t call his claim completely incorrect. Of course the media will take whatever shots they can at him and the communists that run Google will argue semantics to make him look bad but I wouldn’t say that Trump was untruthful in that speech and in fact would rate that speech as excellent. He helped calm people by showing that a great deal of work has been going on behind the scenes and that our response efforts are in fact significant. And based upon the post speech stock market response I would say that the proof was in the pudding that his speech had the desired effect. I still believe that the economic dangers of Covid-19 far exceed the risks to human life.

I'm curious.... What started the TP stampede? I don't recall seeing any discussions about long term quarantine, what you'll need, ect. Suddenly all the TP was gone.

Who bought it all THAT fast? Why didn't they think food was more important? I've talked to a lot of people and none of them bought any until it was already mostly gone. Things aren't making sense here.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
Why would you assume he did it to himself?

Could it be he got bad info? Could there have been a misunderstanding? Or could google be trying to torpedo Trump?

I can see the possibility that any of the three could have happened.

Maybe last-minute discussion regarding google’s help was responsible for the delay in starting his speech.

IIRC Mr. Trump mentioned that he had been talking with Gov. Cuomo of NY just before the press meeting on the sit-rep there. I'd like to think given the very recent news that Goggle's been drafted into this war, whereas Walgreen's, CVS, Roche, Quest Diagnostics, Walmart etc. are volunteers. Perhaps if Speaker Pelosi gave Google a phone call....

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Originally posted by Doc H:
I thought the comments were from Dr. Osterholm's projections, which in my opinion are, I'll say, excessive (but based on straight line math), but I stand corrected on the text of the link. Jim's expertise is unquestioned, and he's a great internist (did his ID Fellowship at Walter Reed), and both he and Dr, Brad Britigan in the ID department are among the best in the nation. But I don't think he intended to imply that 480,000 people would die, but that could be worst case if unchecked. It could be everyone on the planet, come to that. But it won't.

During the Rogan interview Osterholm definitely said he thought the total death toll could reach some 400k or so people. I forget the time index.

2:04 in he says 480,000 deaths. Fun fact that came up when I searched 480,000 deaths: according to the CDC, cigarette smoking kills more than 480,000 Americans per year. Seems to me, if we banned cigarettes then we could free up enough hospital beds for COVID-19.

Also, those are not Olsterholm's projections. He's quoting Lawler's projections and in fact misquotes one when he says 48 million hospitalizations. It's 4.8 million hospitalizations. He did quote 98 million cases and 480,000 deaths correctly. According to This Article, Lawler's estimate was part of an American Hospital Association webinar given on 2/27/20.

And those projections are based on a calculated global CFR from John's Hopkins data and comparing to H1N1 1918 variant, which is likely not valid. Again, likely hundreds of millions of Chinese have been infected by now, not thousands, although we also very probably don't have an accurate count of total fatalities either.

Excellent update, thanks for clarifying, Doc...

All care is local. A nationwide website for testing is (while not a bad thing per se) unnecessary and perhaps resources could be put to better use.

The places that have testing, have communication channels. As this develops, information timeliness is everything. Something written last Wednesday is nearly useless.

My hospital has a website of course, and also uses FaceBook, local media, etc...

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I'm curious.... What started the TP stampede? I don't recall seeing any discussions about long term quarantine, what you'll need, ect. Suddenly all the TP was gone.

Who bought it all THAT fast? Why didn't they think food was more important? I've talked to a lot of people and none of them bought any until it was already mostly gone. Things aren't making sense here.

The TP without food thing was very odd to me too. I saw one psychologist comment that even though it was a gesture of dubious merit it gave people some sense of purpose and control which made them feel better.

The run on the food portion of grocery stores started here Thursday. Wednesday was normal but Thursday schools and events started mass canceling announcements so people hit the grocery stores like a Cat 5 hurricane was bearing down on Houston. The grocery store at the entrance to my neighborhood was stripped so bare that it even ran out of brussel sprouts. In the meat aisle, every inexpensive cut of meat was gone and only prime and wagyu grades left.

For the first time ever, EBT is actually being used for food.

And then traded for crack.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
The grocery store at the entrance to my neighborhood was stripped so bare that it even ran out of brussel sprouts.

Damn, you know it's gotta be BAD when that happens.

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Originally posted by Doc H.:
And those projections are based on a calculated global CFR from John's Hopkins data and comparing to H1N1 1918 variant, which is likely not valid. Again, likely hundreds of millions of Chinese have been infected by now, not thousands, although we also very probably don't have an accurate count of total fatalities either.

Yeah, they'll keep whittling the numbers down, down down to a normal flu season.

I just came from Wegmans where they had no meat or chicken. Half the store was decimated, I haven't seen anything like it since our big blizzard in '77. It's good to have a full freezer.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I'm curious.... What started the TP stampede? I don't recall seeing any discussions about long term quarantine, what you'll need, ect. Suddenly all the TP was gone.

Who bought it all THAT fast? Why didn't they think food was more important? I've talked to a lot of people and none of them bought any until it was already mostly gone. Things aren't making sense here.

The TP without food thing was very odd to me too. I saw one psychologist comment that even though it was a gesture of dubious merit it gave people some sense of purpose and control which made them feel better.

The run on the food portion of grocery stores started here Thursday. Wednesday was normal but Thursday schools and events started mass canceling announcements so people hit the grocery stores like a Cat 5 hurricane was bearing down on Houston. The grocery store at the entrance to my neighborhood was stripped so bare that it even ran out of brussel sprouts. In the meat aisle, every inexpensive cut of meat was gone and only prime and wagyu grades left.

HEB, a prominent Texas grocery store chain, has been hit so hard they've taken the step of reducing the hours they are open (from 6AM-midnight to 8AM-8PM) so that they have enough time to try to keep up with restocking the stores.

https://www.khou.com/article/n...c4-8b99-4d969e574a00

This is my wild-ass guess, with no more basis than anyone else's, -- but my assumption on the TP matter is that it is very visible when it starts to clear off the shelves (big fat multi-packs), and that this triggered a reaction and more agressive stockpiling. They can only shelve so many at a time. So maybe they have 2000 cases of pop on the pop aisle, but only 60 big packs of TP. 100 people come through to stock up on both, and it looks like there's a run on TP.

And then, there IS a run on TP.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
The grocery store at the entrance to my neighborhood was stripped so bare that it even ran out of brussel sprouts.

Damn, you know it's gotta be BAD when that happens.

Yep. It’s time to panic now. You know it’s getting desperate when people have resorted to eating those things.