It appeared the cyclist took off. Hope the guy in truck is ok.

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
I would say the Bike was fully allowed to kick the car.. Would it have been better to let the car continue until he hit the bike?

There are things on motorcycles, actuated by the right hand and right foot, called brakes, that he could have used to avoid the car. A kick from a human leg is not going to stop a car.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:

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Originally posted by DMF:
Both parties are wrong. The MC rider better hope he can't be ID'd because he's the bigger a-hole in that incident, and could face both criminal and civil liability.

Not sure which video you watched, but from what I can gather, the guy on the bike is letting the offending car know that there is someone else already in the lane. The driver of the car either over-reacted when they were startled by someone else already being in the lane or they purposely tried to hit the guy on the bike as retaliation for kicking their car. I've seen instances like this play out a few times in Phoenix. A few guys I knew carried a length of chain they would use to smack a car with when they were too close. It's easy to lay blame on the guy on the bike because he was clearly out of the way because he showed great situational awareness, but honestly, I think anyone who comes that close to dying has a right to be upset, especially because the road was clear in front of the car that caused all of this, and there was no need to even get in that lane!

Not sure what world you are living in, but damaging someone elses property (kicking a car) is not the correct, legal or even the remotely sane response for being accidentally cut off. You think if a car is cut off he should then speed up and ram the other car possibly causing a severe crash? Notice how the biker procedes to leave the scene of the accident instead of pulling over?
Those "guys carrying chains" deserve to get run over.

Motorscooter definitely should not have kicked the car, but let's be honest, it wasn't a life threatening action and the car didn't "lose control" from what I could see. They reacted angrily and swerved to hit the biker, which was an attempt to at least wreck him. Any reasonable person knew that move might kill the biker, yet they did it.

Motorcycle definitely left the scene fast, and should face some charges for that. The white SUV, which was innocent of anything, looks to have wrecked badly. Wonder what the outcome of the wreck was?

We don't know if the rider left the scene do we? Further, while I wouldn't kick a car for multiple reasons, causing minor property damage is way less severe of a "wrong" than attempted vehicular homicide...

Either way, car idiot, followed by biker idiot followed by car idiot really getting idiotic.

Looks to me like the car driver was startled after hearing or feeling the kick, and reacted badly.

That biker is a fucking asshole, and since he took off, he knew he was in the wrong. With a little luck, karma, or the law will find him. I'd be ok with karma.

At some point you just have acknowledge that the other driver is a idiot and let it go. You don't know how crazy the other person is these days.

In this case the guy on the bike is in deep trouble for leaving the scene, especially since someone was injured.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Looks to me like the car driver was startled after hearing or feeling the kick, and reacted badly.

That biker is a fucking asshole, and since he took off, he knew he was in the wrong. With a little luck, karma, or the law will find him. I'd be ok with karma.

It's pretty obvious to me that the car was trying to hit the biker (scooterer?) after he kicked him.

^^^ I'm not sure. A solid brake stomp would have done it. The swerve into the solid barrier looked pretty uncontrolled to me.

Man - that caddy truck flopped right over!

Interesting how we see different results looking at the same thing.

Was the biker wrong for kicking the car, well if he just rode down the road, pulled up and kicked in the door, sure, but if it's as I see it, the car enters the space a bike is in and right on top of the bike, they presented a clear threat to safety, choices are to brake, swerve or be hit.

JMO that after the kick the cars move was deliberate at the bike in order to intimidate the bike in retaliation for the kick, I'm sure the car driver thought they were in the right to go into the lane and the bike felt they were too close.

That second move by the car I'm betting the driver tried to move back and over corrected, but it appears clear that the car initiated the contact on purpose, it doesn't appear to be accidental. Again JMO...

As to the bike stopping or not, the video ends so we don't know, and if not it clearly is a violation, however the driver of the car again JMO was just as much an asshole, and in charge of a 3000 pound weapon he/she used to assault the biker.

I hope the SUV folks are ok...

The smart thing for the bike would have been to back off, flip the bird and chalk it up to riding around assholes... As I've told many a friend upset with cars around them, remember, they have a 4000 pound car, you have an 800 pound bike, you will lose....

unless you have a foot like Beckham....

It's pretty obvious to me that more than a few people only watched the video and didn't read the article...

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Looks to me like the car driver was startled after hearing or feeling the kick, and reacted badly.

That biker is a fucking asshole, and since he took off, he knew he was in the wrong. With a little luck, karma, or the law will find him. I'd be ok with karma.

It's pretty obvious to me that the car was trying to hit the biker (scooterer?) after he kicked him.

This seems to be the consensus on every forum I've seen this video on as well. It is also my conclusion.

I've kicked cars before. Sometimes you barely have time to react when a car unexpectedly and/or illegally merges lanes into you.

The driver of this car attempted to kill the motorcycle rider, twice. Once possibly (we don't know) on accident, once definitely on purpose.

I don't think there is any way to tell if the car deliberately swerved into the bike or was startled by hearing a bang on his fender. You just can't really tell for sure. It looks deliberate, but I think you have to admit you really can't tell.

The biker was wrong to kick the car, I think. I would have focused on swerving and braking, but not on a kick, even if it was meant as a mere warning.

The car was obviously crowding the bike (can't say if it was accidental or deliberate), and then lost control after the violent maneuver.

From the start of the video, which is when the car started moving into the next lane, until the MC guys kicked the car, it's almost 5 seconds. You mean to tell me, kicking the car, instead of speeding up or slowing down to get out of harm's way is the correct thing to do? The MC guy is a total asshole, here.

I'll drop this quote from the article one more time, because potato.

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Tim Morrison and Chris Traber, who shot the video, were on their way to work when they say the driver of the silver sedan cut in front of the motorcyclist. The incident continued to escalate between the two motorists so Traber decided to start recording on his cellphone.

From the video, the motorcyclist is the aggressor. Regardless of the auto drivers actions, he was behind the car and was not in danger.

If you ride a motorcycle, you have to be pretty damn stupid to try and argue with someone in a car.

Slow down, back off.
It's really not that big of a deal.
Often cagers just don't see you. If that happens, it is absolutely NOT necessary to escalate the situation.
Don't let your ego write checks that you can't cash.

If that motorcyclist keeps up that kind of behavior, he's going to end up flatter than a pancake soon.

I'm with the motorcyclist. The driver of the 4-wheeled vehicle would not have passed my driving test - didn't even realize that sudden turns at high speed are dangerous??? The driver was too interested in screwing with the biker, IMO.

Remember: motorcyclists have to pay registration fees, pay for their DL with a motorcycle endorsement, and have to pay for liability insurance. They have every right to use the roads as anyone else.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
From the video, the motorcyclist is the aggressor. Regardless of the auto drivers actions, he was behind the car and was not in danger.

Where in the video, other than after the attempted ramming by the car, was the motorcycle behind the car?