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Originally posted by 12131:
In my ER days years ago, aggressive violent people were handcuffed by the cops and brought in for medical evaluation, and meds were administered accordingly. No such thing as paramedics administering stuff like this (sedatives, antipsychotics, anxiolytics...).

Protocols have drastically changed in the last 5-10 years. Paramedic with 32 years on the job.

As others have said, as far as I can tell the issue here isn't the dose of Ketamine or even really whether or not it should have been administered in the first place. The issue is the lack of monitoring of the patient after it was administered.

Proper airway monitoring and management could have/likely would have prevented a negative outcome in this case. Similar to a fentanyl/heroin OD, if you support the airway you can prevent injury/death.

IANAL but it seems that by definition, the negligent homicide charge is correct based on what happened. The best explanation I've found from this law office's website:

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/b...homicide-definition/

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Negligent homicide is defined as a crime where you commit some act of criminal negligence, and the act results in the killing of another person. While state laws slightly vary on the definition of “criminal negligence,” it is generally viewed as conduct where a person

ignores a known or obvious risk or
disregards the life and safety of others.

When we're taught about liability in medic school, it always comes down to "Would a reasonably prudent paramedic make the same decisions"

In this case, I believe all of it is no. I feel like most of us wouldn't have administered ketamine in the first place, and if we did, we would have properly monitored the patient and managed their airway/breathing if necessary.

Had this been a simple med error that was caught and managed properly prior to a negative outcome, then they may have been slapped by their state medical authority and maybe even had their tickets pulled, but they wouldn't be sitting in jail.


I'm not on a high horse on this case, everyone makes mistakes including myself, and I hope I never make any this severe.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by scratchy:
The kid was stopped for walking while black. The whole incident is a disgrace. Read at your own disgust:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ng_of_Elijah_McClain

Yeah, because Wikipedia isn’t political and there’s never anything else to the story. Trayvon Martin was just a kid buying Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea, Michael Brown had his hands up and said “don’t shoot,” George Floyd got crushed to death for passing a fake $20 bill, and this kid got stopped and killed for “walking while black.” Got any other narrative Kool Air to serve us?

Wikipedia. From this very article you get crap like this....

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On the evening of August 24, 2019, an Aurora civilian called 9-1-1 reporting ..........

So the caller wasn't in the military, and therefore had no Geneva Convention Identification card. What does that have to do with anything.