Guys, I'm aware of all that. In the period of history leading up to and including World War II, Hitler's Nazi Party was "on the right."

Nobody is knocking over war gravestones because "the left lost the second world war."

It's a silly comment. No doubt idiots and assholes desecrated the graves, and we could guess at their motivation, but "being reminded of their failures" isn't the reason.

The elements of authoritarian, totalitarian, fascist and socialist policies in Hitlers ideology mean that the reality, is it's complicated.

It's a little ridiculous that either side tries so hard to stick Hitler on the other team. Looking at him from 2019, and from the historical context of the first and second world wars, are not at all the same.

Considering how much The Left clamors for the government to censor speech, have a monopoly on use of force, be the caretaker and owner of the means of production, and more, it just means that Socialism isn't just one thing, and that it will typically come part and parcel with totalitarian and authoritarian elements.

The Left is content to highlight the "Deutschland Uber Alles" elements and those connected with nationalism, as well as highlighting any elements that can be labeled Right, and saying that it's only that, so they can continue to conflate Nationalism, nationalism, and patriotism. Among other nonsense.

What Hitler was, was a Fascist. It's clear what that definition is, isn't it? During Hitlers lifetime, fascism was a right-wing authoritarian, nationalist form of government.

When we fast forward to 2019, and look at Stalinist Russia, and the history of the world from then to now, it's clear that for Socialism to work, you need an authoritarian regime of some kind, and if you're going to sell that to people, nationalism is how you go about it for starters. Indeed, an authoritarian or totalitarian form of government, almost by default has socialist elements, because of how that government is going to seek to control its own citizens, industry, etc.

The irony of Antifa, and their own seeming oblivious clamor to be ruled, and the moves by those on the left to silence opposition and weaken the rights of citizens, mean that all of these people are Statists. It's pretty clear to me that anyone who considers themselves a Democrat, Liberal, leftist, socialist, all of these people are Statists. They want to be ruled, they want power centralized in a large government. Unfortunately, you can find too many politicians with an R next to their name, who have become comfortable in the bosom of the administrative state, and are themselves now Statists.

History and the truth are complicated, no doubt.

Hitler’s ideology was leftist. It’s a fact of history. We’re just not taught that in school.

“When one remembers that the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party — Mises's identification might not appear all that noteworthy. For what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?”

https://mises.org/library/why-...cialism-totalitarian

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
Guys, I'm aware of all that. In the period of history leading up to and including World War II, Hitler's Nazi Party was "on the right."

That is an extraordinarily ignorant, inane statement, but I see no point in repeating myself.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
Nobody is knocking over war gravestones because "the left lost the second world war."

It's a silly comment.

That was humor.

Good grief, dude. You come across as very young and sophomoric.



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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
Guys, I'm aware of all that. In the period of history leading up to and including World War II, Hitler's Nazi Party was "on the right."

That is an extraordinarily ignorant, inane statement, but I see no point in repeating myself.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
Nobody is knocking over war gravestones because "the left lost the second world war."

It's a silly comment.

That was humor.

Good grief, dude. You come across as very young and sophomoric.

Perhaps you're bad at humor?

Pointing out that Nazi Germany was "on the right" isn't ignorant or inane. Hitlers personal views, and the government and country he presided over, are separate things, and again, historically Nazi Germany can't be described as "left." Describing the Nazi Party as Right Wing isn't inaccurate or incorrect.

It's simply this: The Right Wing here in the USA, is not the same thing as the Nazi Party of WWII Germany being Right Wing. There are those who are trying strenuously to make connections and comparisons, because Trump is "literally Hitler." They're wrong of course, but so is insisting that Nazi Germany wasn't Right Wing.

The question would be, right wing of what? This is history, Nazi Germany is in the past, and if the Nazi Party were cozily Left Wing, the history of its rise to power would be different, as would the relationship with Communists of the day.

Indeed, if Nazi Germany is "Left" or "Left Wing," Where does that put FDR's United States exactly?

If you want sophomoric, just go straight to anyone insisting that "Make America Great Again" is fascism, or that loving America is "White Nationalism" so it's also fascism... and so on and so forth.

Again, this is all in the context of history, if you remove the information about the time period, and just put Nazi Germany in 2019 and call it Right Wing the same as Right Wing in the USA, that's exactly what the left is trying to do, it's ridiculous of course. If for some reason Nazi Germany were still here in 2019, well, the world would be a very different place anyway.

Take it easy, arc. Members are at a disadvantage when they exchange words with a moderator. Kinda like when the cops come around. Please keep this in mind.

Well, to get the thread back on track, whoever did that was a real POS.

left, right, and middle.

The reverence I feel walking among the headstones of fallen soldiers anywhere is humbling.

The sacrifice alone is inspiration. The volume is crushing. Evil demands sacrifice. The fallen refused to pay tribute to it.

Those that did this do not deserve to walk among the fallen, nor lie beside them.

Because they pay tribute to evil.

Anyone desecrating graves like this should be charged, prosecuted, convicted, and executed on public TV for all to see. There should be an absolute zero tolerance policy related to this sort of behavior.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Anyone desecrating graves like this should be charged, prosecuted, convicted, and executed on public TV for all to see. There should be an absolute zero tolerance policy related to this sort of behavior.

Executing them seems like letting them off easy. They should have to personally tell everyone in their community what they did, like a sex offender is supposed to do in their neighborhood. Then, anyone convicted of something like this should be ineligible for any type of government benefit or assistance, until they enlist and serve in the military. Where everyone would be told what they'd done.

At the very least, they owe the total cost of restoration, and some jail time. Everyone knowing who they are and never being able to receive govt assistance sounds like a fate worse than death for someone who would do that.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
What would happen in the USA to the scumbags who did this?

The answer is... probably not much.
If caught, a prosecutor may not even prosecute.
If prosecuted, the criminal may get off with a fine or maybe restitution. Probably not much jail time, if any.

This discussion has gone a bit far afield with discussion of the left-right paradigm...
But one thing is true of tyrannical dictatorships: they are quick and efficient in the administration of punishment.
It may not be just, but it is quick, and often final.

On the subject of the left-right paradigm... it is generally a false one.
The question should not be left or right, but tyrannical or free.

This video kind of blows apart the idea of a left-right paradigm.

Republic vs. Democracy - What Is The Real Form of the U.S. Government

We have been to some of those grave yards. I spent 11 years on active duty, and a couple of the trips to those cemeteries was while I was stationed in Germany.

It infuriates me to see this kind of stuff in the news. Sadly, they will probably never catch the dirt bags who did that. Should they actually catch them, they should be put in "stocks" in the central square of each and every town in the UK. 2 weeks in each location!

With big signs IDing them and telling what they did!

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Who were all considered on the right, as opposed to FDR and Stalin, on the left. Even in the U.K. the left was in power before the end of the war.[/QUOTE]

I believe Churchill's war government was a coalition government. The first general election after the war rejected Churchill and voted a Labor back in power. Churchill did a comeback with the Conservative and Unionist Party in the general election of 1951, serving until 1955.