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I've never had any insurance ask what my credit score is. Mine is about as high as you can have and the only thing that really tells you is that you have borrowed a lot of money. A credit score in the 800's cost you over $150k in consumer debt.
 
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I've never had any insurance ask what my credit score is.


They don’t ask you. They just look it up.
 
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People with higher credit are typically more well off and less likely to file a claim for damages that are slightly over their deductible.

People with low credit who likely need every dollar that can get are more likely to file a claim.

Example:

You sideswipe a pole and do $1500 in damages. You have a $500 deductible.

The higher your credit score, the less likely you are to turn in a claim for that.


I dunno that people with higher credit are necessarily more well off. They often are more well in debt. Example some high paid couple, both doctors, while though bringing in two big salaries many are close to being upside down..... they owe on their $900,000 house, med school loans, boat, credit cards, his pick up truck (her Mercedes is leased), etc. But they're staying up on all those payments so they have a high credit score. Someone else could own their home, vehicles, rental propertiy, with everything paid for and $1 mil in the bank, and they have a lower score. Which one do you think will be most likely to turn in something to insurance that they should be paying out of pocket?

I get that people who make all their loan payments on time should be rated higher that those who are late or miss some altogether. But should that person also be rated higher than one that has money in the bank, house paid for, no debt and therefore no payment history?


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Originally posted by 1s1k:
I've never had any insurance ask what my credit score is.


They don’t ask you. They just look it up.
Yeah I guess I worded that incorrectly. No one asks you they all look it up. I used to keep an eye on those things until I realized how ridiculous it was.
 
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People with higher credit are typically more well off and less likely to file a claim for damages that are slightly over their deductible.

People with low credit who likely need every dollar that can get are more likely to file a claim.

Example:

You sideswipe a pole and do $1500 in damages. You have a $500 deductible.

The higher your credit score, the less likely you are to turn in a claim for that.


I dunno that people with higher credit are necessarily more well off. They often are more well in debt. Example some high paid couple, both doctors, while though bringing in two big salaries many are close to being upside down..... they owe on their $900,000 house, med school loans, boat, credit cards, his pick up truck (her Mercedes is leased), etc. But they're staying up on all those payments so they have a high credit score. Someone else could own their home, vehicles, rental propertiy, with everything paid for and $1 mil in the bank, and they have a lower score. Which one do you think will be most likely to turn in something to insurance that they should be paying out of pocket?

I get that people who make all their loan payments on time should be rated higher that those who are late or miss some altogether. But should that person also be rated higher than one that has money in the bank, house paid for, no debt and therefore no payment history?


There's plenty of exceptions to every rule but in general people with high credit have a lower claim frequency than people with lower credit.

That's why it's used.
 
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Not that anyone could ever game a credit score... Roll Eyes


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I've never had any insurance ask what my credit score is.


They don’t ask you. They just look it up.
Yeah I guess I worded that incorrectly. No one asks you they all look it up. I used to keep an eye on those things until I realized how ridiculous it was.


The impression I got was they were somehow required to inform us when digging for our credit score, which was the purpose of the letters I occasionally receive. But maybe that's not the case only some companies have the policy of notifying.


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There's plenty of exceptions to every rule but in general people with high credit have a lower claim frequency than people with lower credit.

That's why it's used.


Probably so, that I understand. It's just how they come up with ones credit score had me scratching my head.
I guess what I need to come to understanding is that credit score is less about ones ability or wherewithal to pay their insurance premium, or repay a debt. It's more about how many loans you have out in good standing and how often you have paid them off in the past. Right?

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People do the research for the insurance companies. Someone figured it out and then sold their findings to the insurance companies so they can use it.

Insurance companies with high underwriting standards offer incredibly low rates to the best drivers and will use whatever data they can to assess your risk.

Doesn't matter what the 'mechanism' is that explains why they are the way they are. They only care about results. Credit score has shown to be a relatively accurate predictor so it gets used. Its one of like 40+ data points they use to asses your risk.
 
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Credit score has shown to be a relatively accurate predictor so it gets used.


I suspect that credit scores could also be shown to be a relatively accurate predictor of criminal activity.

Perhaps the feds should start running credit scores on gun owners to determine who should and shouldn't be allowed to buy them.


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Also insurance companies simply make mistakes sometimes in their "classifications". They may rate a small 300cc Kawasaki motorcycle as a high risk sport bike because it has the name "Ninja". Yet the same engine in another Kawasaki has a lower rating.

Tons of examples of the same thing with cars as well. They may rate a Honda Civic Sport (or Focus Sport) higher than a Honda Civic (or Focus) Sedan (same engines) because the Sport has shown statistically to be in more accidents. However this is because Sports are more often bought by younger buyers... which have ALREADY been adjusted for by higher risk age category. Yet a 50 year old safe driver must pay more for essentially the same car, same drivetrain, just with a Sport name.


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30 years of running two large general and auto insurance agencies taught me that folks with lower credit scores have more frequent and more costly claims than those with higher credit scores.


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I've never had any insurance ask what my credit score is.


They don’t ask you. They just look it up.
Yeah I guess I worded that incorrectly. No one asks you they all look it up. I used to keep an eye on those things until I realized how ridiculous it was.


The impression I got was they were somehow required to inform us when digging for our credit score, which was the purpose of the letters I occasionally receive. But maybe that's not the case only some companies have the policy of notifying.
I have my credit report frozen at all 3 major agencies and have to obtain a 1-time password for a company to run my credit. It's been this way for several years and I've never had an insurance company request the 1-time password.

I've had the same homeowners and auto since before I froze the 3 credit reports so I could understand them not running my credit since I had it frozen. However, last spring I bought a motorcycle and my regular insurer doesn't insure motorcycles. Neither of the 2 companies needed my 1-time password for a quote and the company I ultimately selected didn't need the 1-time password to write the policy.



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The credit bureaus have a database of a few hundred million monthly bill paying Americans. It is a quite large sample pool they can draw pretty accurate statistical predictions from.
 
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My daughter had to have her credit score run to rent an apartment.
 
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Not that anyone could ever game a credit score... Roll Eyes


How is that done?
 
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I have my credit report frozen at all 3 major agencies and have to obtain a 1-time password for a company to run my credit. It's been this way for several years and I've never had an insurance company request the 1-time password.



That's for a hard inquiry, which in my opinion should be the only type of inquiry. That's when you apply for credit and somebody is running your credit to make that determination. Mortgage, auto loan, credit card, etc.

Soft hits don't require your password as they are not used for fraudulent purposes. They are merely taking a look to see how they can screw you in some other fashion based on mostly irrelevant factors.

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30 years of running two large general and auto insurance agencies taught me that folks with lower credit scores have more frequent and more costly claims than those with higher credit scores.


Heck, we should give auto insurers access to tax records, medical records, criminal records, and anything else they want to see. It may be helpful. Google should also give them everybody's search histories. That way if they're looking at fast cars online, they can be considered fast drivers and rated accordingly.


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I have my credit report frozen at all 3 major agencies and have to obtain a 1-time password for a company to run my credit. It's been this way for several years and I've never had an insurance company request the 1-time password.
That's for a hard inquiry, which in my opinion should be the only type of inquiry. That's when you apply for credit and somebody is running your credit to make that determination. Mortgage, auto loan, credit card, etc.

Soft hits don't require your password as they are not used for fraudulent purposes. They are merely taking a look to see how they can screw you in some other fashion based on mostly irrelevant factors.
That makes sense. Thx.



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My daughter had to have her credit score run to rent an apartment.


I can accept this, landlords don't want to have to deal with people who well might not be able to pay the rent because it's a long process to get them evicted. But did her score help determine what amount of rent they charge her? I doubt it, at least I hope not.


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I have one credit card which I use for most purchases and I don't wait for the monthly statement but pay it off every couple weeks. I decided I should have one other card after my MasterCard was "compromised" and had to wait a day for a new card. Being without it a wasn't a problem but if it occurs again while I'm traveling it could, so I now have two cards. I've used the new card twice to make sure it works and paid it off within a few days, I'll just use it occasionally to keep it active. That's it.
In talking with my daughter on this subject when she called just a few minutes ago (she is in banking) she said "you know your credit score will drop now that you picked up a second credit card, right?" I thought good Lord, but then she added "after you generate a history with it your score will go back up again".



BUT adding more card(s) is also a great thing because it ups the total amount of credit available - lowering your credit utilization and also each card changes history of accounts. Try to add a few more cards all close together so the inquiries will hit in a short date range and drop off close together - inquiries drop off quickly BUT again you will need to factor in any planned credit purchases like a mortgage - lay off if you are thinking mortgage for example.

Yes I know pay off each month - and we do religiously - but reporting time factors in as well if your one card had a 700 balance when they reported its still part of the credit utilization even if you pay off the week after reported your report till next update will account for the debt till then - so having more cards and higher limit cards to boost available credit negates the normal spend hit

It goes even more in depth that that - an excellent video I just watched is below if interested

 
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