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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
They will gladly lose money to influence your vote...look at CNN.

This claim is absurd. Your example is wrong. CNN makes money - it is profitable. You are merely indulging your political biases.

https://www.pewresearch.org/jo...profit-for-cable-tv/

Nothing at all 'absurd' about that claim. CNN has deliberately chosen programming that has negatively impacted their ratings in order to push a narrative. This has hurt their bottom line. No one said they didn't make money. I said they were a nefarious entity and that they would lose money to push their narrative.

Cattle are just suddenly needing air conditioning? Bullshit. This particular smelly rat has almost certainly been brought to us by the F'n left. Who else lies continuously through the mouthpiece that used to be collectively referred to as the news.

Maybe it's a horschack, never before seen in modern times?

As in 'My name is Arnold Horschack. It means the cattle are dying.

Huh...
Here I am living in Kansas and I'm just learning of this via an article from the UK.

The great plains may be different, but I spent a couple of years as labor on a dairy operation in Ohio. In summer it was close to 100 and soaked in humidity. In winter it was ass freezing cold.
The cows were tougher than I am. And smarter. I was haying and doing other stuff standing in the sun while they lay in the shade. We had plenty of water tanks for them, too. None of them croaked.
Maybe the heat is killing them in Kansas but that was not my experience.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Different breeds/strains used in different climates

That was my thought.
I'm no rancher but, I know that certain breeds can better deal with heat than others how is this any different than in past seasons? Anybody have any idea if those Kansas ranch's had the 'wrong breed' of cattle or, any if there's a new feed supplements that are screwing up how cattle regulate their body heat?

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Different breeds/strains used in different climates

That was my thought.
I'm no rancher but, I know that certain breeds can better deal with heat than others how is this any different than in past seasons? Anybody have any idea if those Kansas ranch's had the 'wrong breed' of cattle or, any if there's a new feed supplements that are screwing up how cattle regulate their body heat?

The cattle in the video bottom of page 1 are Angus or Angus-cross. They and Herefords are poor choices for hot places. It's possible they are acclimatized to milder temperatures or it's simply exceptionally hot. That said some Angus blood is good for carcass conformation, so breeds like Beefmaster (part Brahma/Angus) are much more heat-hardy and um..meatier.

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Originally posted by divil:
Makes me concerned about future beef prices.

Already going up and you'll see it soon.
I go through 2 brokers and they called me today earlier. Both deal with midwest cattle farmers. Supply down, demand up so there it goes.

We are 20 miles south of the Kansas border in NW Oklahoma, the temps are, and have been triple digits, and you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a live, black cow around here. I call bullshit.

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Originally posted by john1:
We are 20 miles south of the Kansas border in NW Oklahoma, the temps are, and have been triple digits, and you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a live, black cow around here. I call bullshit.

Same here west of Fort Worth. My three Black Baldies and three Angus calves also call bullshit at the notion these were heat-related deaths.

Either this herd ran out of water or something viral ran through it pretty quickly. Hopefully the necropsy reports will be made public.

Ok, I did a bit of research. Most of the deaths are not free-range cattle dying on the ranch. This is unusually high death loss rates in cattle located in dry lots/feedlots. Cattle on the ranch can spread out, spend the hottest hours of the day laying in the shade and usually lead a fairly low stress life. Cattle in feedlots are in a stressful environment to begin with. There are hundreds or thousands of animals from multiple herds comingled on bare ground with little to no natural shade. They are being fed a high energy diet to put on as much weight as possible just before they are shipped to the slaughterhouse. When you add dangerous heat stress on top of the other stressors that occur in this environment then your death rate is going to spike.

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Triple digit temps are dangerous in cattle, esp. European or Continental breeds. That stress added to fat cattle in an unnatural environment can be deadly.

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The 10,000 number is likely a gross exaggeration. A more accurate number is likely in the 2000-5000 range total from multiple large feedlots. See this article from agweb.com.

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Originally posted by john1:
We are 20 miles south of the Kansas border in NW Oklahoma, the temps are, and have been triple digits, and you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a live, black cow around here. I call bullshit.

Are the cats dying from Global Warming?

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Originally posted by divil:
Makes me concerned about future beef prices.

Maybe, but I expect it to spark renewed clamors for fighting Global Warming.

flashguy

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Originally posted by bdylan:

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
They will gladly lose money to influence your vote...look at CNN.

This claim is absurd. Your example is wrong. CNN makes money - it is profitable. You are merely indulging your political biases.

https://www.pewresearch.org/jo...profit-for-cable-tv/

Nothing at all 'absurd' about that claim. CNN has deliberately chosen programming that has negatively impacted their ratings in order to push a narrative. This has hurt their bottom line. No one said they didn't make money. I said they were a nefarious entity and that they would lose money to push their narrative.

And I say that is absurd. They do push an agenda, but they don't sacrifice profits to do it. They judge their audience to be receptive to their agenda, and cater to it.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by bdylan:

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
They will gladly lose money to influence your vote...look at CNN.

This claim is absurd. Your example is wrong. CNN makes money - it is profitable. You are merely indulging your political biases.

https://www.pewresearch.org/jo...profit-for-cable-tv/

Nothing at all 'absurd' about that claim. CNN has deliberately chosen programming that has negatively impacted their ratings in order to push a narrative. This has hurt their bottom line. No one said they didn't make money. I said they were a nefarious entity and that they would lose money to push their narrative.

And I say that is absurd. They do push an agenda, but they don't sacrifice profits to do it. They judge their audience to be receptive to their agenda, and cater to it.

We'll have to disagree. I don't think you follow the Nielson ratings very closely...CNN consistently loses to the other networks. Is your argument that they are more profitable than the other networks or do you just like the word 'absurd'. Profitability is market share and CNN is losing very badly.

CNN killed the cows to boost their ratings and profits.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
CNN killed the cows to boost their ratings and profits.

Black Angus Lives Matter

Did these cows recently join the Peoples Temple? Was Hereford Jim Jones lying among them?

The Aggie forum was discussing this. They all called BS on the heat.

They’re guessing it was a lack of water, which would be an operation issue at that feedlot.

(Hot and still means the windmill pumps won’t run, and one rancher said he checks his solar ones twice a day, as he doesn’t feel they’re reliable.)

(I think they called BS on the heat, prior to hearing it was feed lot deaths)

I could see that, maybe, in a feedlot, but my guess would still be on some form of issue getting the cattle enough water.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
(I think they called BS on the heat, prior to hearing it was feed lot deaths)

I could see that, maybe, in a feedlot, but my guess would still be on some form of issue getting the cattle enough water.

After talking to my vet today (he used to work for a feedlot in Kansas) rain a day or two prior, plus heavy black bare dirt that holds moisture, limited shade and triple digit temps sets you up for bad things.

Note: this is not the first or last time it has happened. It is an outlier, but not unheard of.