SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Chess; Chess vs Go
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Chess; Chess vs Go Login/Join 
Member
Picture of konata88
posted
I'm still trying to learn and play chess. Of course I know how to play (for the most part) but tactics and strategy, when and what to play, how to develop pieces to enable the positions you want, how to discern attacker's strategy, etc, all remain quite elusive. I suspect it will take years and many games to win consistently.

I found a film (Netflix) called Queen of Chess (story of Judit Polgar) and her quest to beat Kasparov (considered to be one of the all time greats?). I thought it was interesting.

In parallel, I'm trying to learn Go; actually, I'm more interested in playing Go than chess but chess is easier. I have a headstart, there are computer games, there are local players, there are books, and there seem to be practical limitations to game play (again, but still overwhelming for me).

Go is challenging still. Read a couple of books but still can't grasp what legal moves are in some cases, strategy and development. I get the objectve but have no clue how to make it happen. There is no target (ie - the King in chess).

Does anybody play Go? Go and Chess? Does Go get easier to learn and play? Or does one really need a teacher? I can play chess w/o a teacher - probably learn faster / better if I had a teacher but I can put up a somewhat defensive game lasting 30-40 moves against more experienced players. But Go is like a blank white canvas and I have no idea how to start.

Chess, you have about 18 possible first moves. Go, there seems to be about 361....




"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
 
Posts: 14785 | Location: In the gilded cage | Registered: December 09, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Honky Lips
Picture of FenderBender
posted Hide Post
I prefer go, I find chess is simplistic and formulaic in comparison.

https://online-go.com/


_____________________________________________
Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways."
 
Posts: 9296 | Location: Great Basin | Registered: July 24, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of IntrepidTraveler
posted Hide Post
My son in law showed me this documentary about a computer playing Go and winning. If you've got some time, it's an interesting watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y




Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet.
- Dave Barry

"Never go through life saying 'I should have'..." - quote from the 9/11 Boatlift Story (thanks, sdy for posting it)
 
Posts: 3464 | Location: Lewisville TX/ Augusta GA | Registered: July 15, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Washing machine whisperer
Picture of Appliance Brad
posted Hide Post
"Go is to Western chess what philosophy is to double-entry accounting". -Shibumi by Trevanian


__________________________
Writing the next chapter that I've been looking forward to.
 
Posts: 11627 | Location: Willow Fen Farm | Registered: September 17, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Casuistic Thinker and Daoist
Picture of 9mmepiphany
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Appliance Brad:
"Go is to Western chess what philosophy is to double-entry accounting". -Shibumi by Trevanian

That's one of my favorite books




No, Daoism isn't a religion



 
Posts: 14509 | Location: northern california | Registered: February 07, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of konata88
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by IntrepidTraveler:
My son in law showed me this documentary about a computer playing Go and winning. If you've got some time, it's an interesting watch:

[FLASH_VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y[/FLASH_VIDEO]


Interesting. Thanks. Even buggy and not fully optimized, it still won convincingly.




"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
 
Posts: 14785 | Location: In the gilded cage | Registered: December 09, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Imagination and focus
become reality
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:
quote:
Originally posted by Appliance Brad:
"Go is to Western chess what philosophy is to double-entry accounting". -Shibumi by Trevanian

That's one of my favorite books


Mine too except for the anti-American slant.
 
Posts: 7063 | Location: Northwest Indiana | Registered: August 15, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Imagination and focus
become reality
posted Hide Post
I have played Go. I play chess much better. I was a 10 kyu in Go on KGS, however my best at chess was as an "Expert", just a step below Master level in the US at that time.
 
Posts: 7063 | Location: Northwest Indiana | Registered: August 15, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
Highly recco Chess.com. Tutorials, game reviews, and live play with random opponents.
 
Posts: 230 | Location: Oregon | Registered: March 20, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Alienator
Picture of SIG4EVA
posted Hide Post
Surprised you aren't learning Shogi.


SIG556 Classic
P220 Carry SAS Gen 2 SAO
SP2022 9mm German Triple Serial
P938 SAS
P365 FDE
P322 FDE

Psalm 118:24 "This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it"
 
Posts: 7500 | Location: NC | Registered: March 16, 2012Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of konata88
posted Hide Post
Shogi rules are complicated for me. I can play the Chinese version. But there is nobody around here who plays.

Shogi is similar to chess. Go is a different type of game.




"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
 
Posts: 14785 | Location: In the gilded cage | Registered: December 09, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Casuistic Thinker and Daoist
Picture of 9mmepiphany
posted Hide Post
quote:
I can play the Chinese version. But there is nobody around here who plays.

I didn't know there was a Japanese version of Chinese Chess. The first thing I noticed is that the pieces move on the squares while the Chinese pieces move on the lines Next most noticeable thing is the lack of a "River"
How are the rules different?

My father taught me how to play Chinese chess when I was 10.

I brought it to my high school one time and other folks started getting interested so I taught them the basics. Next thing I knew, we had a Chinese Chess club going every lunch period.




No, Daoism isn't a religion



 
Posts: 14509 | Location: northern california | Registered: February 07, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of konata88
posted Hide Post
I need a refresher and don’t know anything about strategy but if you want to play xianqi sometime, let me know. I have pieces and a small board. Shogi is similar but rules are different. Minor different pieces and you can put into play captured pieces. Complicated. Xianqi is simpler.




"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
 
Posts: 14785 | Location: In the gilded cage | Registered: December 09, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata  
 

SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Chess; Chess vs Go

© SIGforum 2026