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goodheart |
I went to have tires on the Odyssey rotated and balanced (vibration at 60 mph). I was told the rear tires had "ozone cracking" and should be replaced-at least, they would not rotate them. The tires are in, and I asked the tire guy if they would put the new tires on the front, and rotate the front tires (60% tread) to the rear. My thinking: 1. 80% of braking is on front tires 2. Tread wear in FWD vehicle is much higher on front Therefore safest to have better tires on front. Costco guy (clearly based on what they are told): it's safest to have best tires on rear if you lose control of car. Me: This is a FWD car. It understeered. If you lose control, you gradually add gas, get the tire back in line; AND there is vehicle stability control, which greatly decreases the chance of the rear breaking away (especially since it's never powered). My plan (since I've already paid for the tires) is to have Costco mount the tires then go somewhere else to have rotation done and balance the front tires as they're. moved to the rear. So who is right? If I'm wrong and my SF friends can convince me, I'll be happy. If I'm right, I'll be happy. OK, red face here: New tires always go on the rear _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | ||
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paradox in a box |
I agree with putting best on front. No idea why you would need to balance them again if balanced at Costco. Balancing is done off the vehicle. These go to eleven. | |||
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goodheart |
See my last link: it's because Costco would get sued if anything happened.
_________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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Alienator |
Its not just Costco, any tire shop is going to do the same. SIG556 Classic P220 Carry SAS Gen 2 SAO SP2022 9mm German Triple Serial P938 SAS P365 FDE Psalm 118:24 "This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it" | |||
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Back, and to the left |
You are right. I remember briefly running into this at our Costco and getting the same bullshit re: ft vs rr. I remember pretty quickly deciding that this was their own (Costco's) line of BS. I informed him that this was a basic requirement for us and that we would have to agree to disagree. That I would be following a best tires up front rule for good was a given. I dealt with it by saying we were coming up on a new set and that if he wouldn't rotate the best to the front that he should balance them. I would rotate them when I got home and, in that event, we wouldn't be buying tires from Costco anymore. That we heard great things about Discount Tire. Guess what? They rotated them. We have bought two sets since and have never had to have this discussion again. | |||
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Vote the BASTIDS OUT! |
This is interesting. So, why bother rotating tires to keep tire wear consistent? Should we stop rotating our tires? John "Building a wall will violate the rights of millions of illegals." [Nancy Pelosi] | |||
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Same happened to me at Costco with my fulltime AWD Touareg. They refused to put the tires on the front so I told them to keep the special order tires & went across the street to Tire Discount. I would much rather have more tread on the front to help prevent hydroplaning loss of streering. I also can handle oversteer much better than understeer. Also the "tire industry" is full of shit. __________________________________________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit! Sigs Owned - A Bunch | |||
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Do the next right thing |
That's SOP for almost any large tire shop. It's the same reason brakes are larger on the front. If you're going to lose traction, with precious few exceptions it's better to lose it on the front than the rear. Understeer is generally easier for people to handle than oversteer, and far less likely to lose control entirely. With tires that aren't very worn it's not really an issue, but a tire shop or their employees aren't going to risk their job over it. They're going to do exactly what the policy says, which is new tires on the rear. | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
“I can appreciate your thought Mr. tire guy, but since it’s my money being spent here, I want them on the front. If you can’t do that I will be spending my money elsewhere in the future.” "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Do the next right thing |
"Ok, bye. I'm not going to risk my job for it and there's no point in getting upset at me not wanting to risk my job over it." I mean, you're not wrong, exactly, but you're not right either, and it's not an argument you're going to win. You can go back the next day for a rotation, or to another shop, or whatever, and they'll do it. But they're not going to put new tires on the front for you 99% of the time. | |||
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Member |
I've asked this many times and never received an adequate answer. If the tires w/ more tread should always be on the rear axle, then what's the point tire rotation? Should we buy tires in pairs as the front tires wear out, i.e., new tires on the rear and old tires on the front? | |||
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Technically Adaptive |
All Wheel drive cars will have issues with tire size, some Anti lock brake systems will also. The speed sensors are at each wheel in most cases. If it's front wheel or rear wheel drive, most times no biggie to change just two. This new tire on front or back debate, you can do what you want. Just don't sue someone over your decision. | |||
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Member |
Not true, brakes are larger on the front because of weight transference during deceleration. Also when tires with less traction are on the front stopping distance increases.I remember the understeer vs oversteer argument 60 years ago when Ralph Nader existed. Then American auto's were set up to understeer for the same absurd reasoning. __________________________________________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit! Sigs Owned - A Bunch | |||
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Do the next right thing |
Rotation is not just for tread depth. It also swaps them side to side, and as long as it's not a directional tread, it changes the rotation direction which corrects feathering. Basically it reduces concentrated wear, extending the life of the tires. | |||
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Not as lean, not as mean, Still a Marine |
I see this a lot up here with studded tires. Shops are asked to put them only on the drive axle in front wheeled drive vehicles, but they are not allowed to. As for the tire rotation issue, I've been told before that if the tires are too far out of difference, they will refuse to rotate the lower treads to the rear. Depends on the shop and what they are willing to risk I guess. I shall respect you until you open your mouth, from that point on, you must earn it yourself. | |||
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Do the next right thing |
Weight transfer is exactly why they're bigger in front. As weight transfers to the front, traction decreases in back, increasing the likelihood of losing traction in back. If the braking force was the same, you'd lose traction in back before in the front. Thus, it's the same reason you put new tires on the back. To reduce the chance of losing traction in back. You may think the reasoning is absurd, but they're not putting in the research and all saying the same thing for kicks and giggles. It's a lot easier to recover from understeer than oversteer. | |||
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
^^^true. Besides, there number of variables that make any blanket statements on this untrue. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Yes I heard that from Ralph Nader, but he never raced a Corvair on mountain roads. Maybe oversteer vs understeer has been researched since 1963. In 1963 understeer was engineered into American autos because the industry said people did not know how to compensate for oversteer & just slammed on the brakes. At my age I am more concerned about wet rainey weather & losing steering control than oversteer or understeer. __________________________________________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit! Sigs Owned - A Bunch | |||
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Do the next right thing |
I'm sorry you don't like the guy who is stuck in your head as saying it first, but for most people it's a lot easier to recover when the car is going the same direction as the nose, rather than going the direction of the side, or the tail. Most people aren't racing on mountain roads, and cars can't be engineered for niche cases. Build a niche car for niche cases. | |||
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Member |
Yes, right off the side of the mountain curve in the rain is not recovery. Most of todays' autos have antilock brakes & traction control so hydroplaning is my main concern. __________________________________________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit! Sigs Owned - A Bunch | |||
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