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I just realized how easy voter fraud is
November 06, 2018, 07:53 AM
esdunbarI just realized how easy voter fraud is
Yesterday I picked up a new gun. This morning I voted.
When I got to the table to check in, I realized I didn't have my driver's license nor my CCW permit. Obviously I left them at the gun store.
I ask the lady, "am I out of luck or is there some other way I can verify who I am?" She says, can you pull up a bank statement on your phone?
I say sure! I log into my banking app and pull up a pdf of my latest checking account statement. She looks at it and says I'm good to go.
I ask, don't you need to see a credit card or something else with my name on it? She say's nope.
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
So let me get this straight, all a voter fraud person would have to do is edit a pdf of their bank statement to put anyone's name and address on it and then they can go vote?
As I'm walking out, I see a young man with an unopened electric bill as evidence of his address.
I know voter fraud is a thing and that we need to make new laws to protect against it, but what I didn't realize is that anyone with a computer made post 2000 and printer can make some BS bank statement and vote wherever they want.
This is worse than I realized. I thought they at least had to try hard to cheat.
November 06, 2018, 07:57 AM
95flhrWith early voting, you have multiple days to do it.
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November 06, 2018, 07:58 AM
WoodmanYou can vote with a utility bill. No need to prove who you are.
November 06, 2018, 08:02 AM
steve495I'm assuming they cross-referenced your provided name and address with the voter roles and crossed you off that list, marking you as "voted?".
At least that way, someone can't come later and claim your identity.
The real problem would be showing up with your name already crossed off. Or showing a doctored PDF with a local address and not comparing it to the voter roles and letting that person vote.
Heck, IDs can be faked and I'm pretty certain the good volunteers at the polling stations would not be able to catch many of the fakes.
November 06, 2018, 08:02 AM
stickman428It is a shame how easy it would be to commit voter fraud in NC. This retarded state doesn’t verify ANYTHING.
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November 06, 2018, 08:03 AM
craigcpaquote:
Originally posted by stickman428:
It is a shame how easy it would be to commit voter fraud in NC. This retarded state doesn’t verify ANYTHING.
Yep. I walked in, stated a name and address and got a ballot.
I don't even remember the name used.

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November 06, 2018, 08:28 AM
walkinghorseStories are that in some precincts all you need is a headstone!

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November 06, 2018, 08:31 AM
MikeinNCI saw it a lot in NC....
I once went to vote while in uniform, the lady walks up and tells me to go away I'm scaring the "voters" (ooohhh big scary cop in line)
I told her I was in line to vote.
when she started talking about me changing my clothes and what not, I told her to go away in a not so nice tone...80 ish guy behind me starts laughing and wanted to shake my hand....
but, yes, voter fraud is exceptionally easy in NC (and probably a lot of other places) with two weeks of "early voting", mail in ballots, provisional ballots..and no ID requirement
When I was in the service I had to get a ballot ahead of time mailed to my command, have an officer verify my ID, and witness the ballot prior to returning it..
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esdunbarmy phone opens when it sees my face. My computer unlocks when I put my finger print on it.
It's time, we really need to clean this crap up. the technology is out there.
I was just blown away that all I need to know is someones name and address and I can doctor a pdf to vote. That's a real shame.
November 06, 2018, 08:35 AM
Rev. A. J. ForsythWhen I voted this morning all of the ladies checking IDs were at least 90 years old. I could have showed her a CVS receipt and she would have thought it was an ID card.
November 06, 2018, 08:37 AM
stkfoxWell, only thing I can say to that is at our precinct here in FL, the first thing they ask is for a photo ID, they always prefer a driver's license.
I'm not aware of any other way to prove your ID while voting here, but I wouldn't be totally surprised I guess.
November 06, 2018, 08:41 AM
RNshooterI didn't have to show anyone anything. I stated my name, they ASKED me if xxxxxx was my address, and had me sign. Supposedly, tbey compared the signature to the one they had on file.
That's it.
Bruce
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November 06, 2018, 08:44 AM
bettysnephewI had to show a picture ID at the polling place. If I did not have that my ballot would have been set aside and counted after verification (whatever that entailed). I like it this way.
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November 06, 2018, 08:44 AM
blueyeOne year my buddy used the name John Doe, they let him vote. He fessed up before he voted just to see if he could do it, they got pissed off at him.
November 06, 2018, 08:46 AM
nhtagmemberI voted last Friday and they weren't at all interested in seeing my voter registration card or any other piece of positive ID
this country is screwed until we have a real voter ID card - if India can do it with a billion people, why can't we do it?
oh, right...the democrats...
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November 06, 2018, 08:47 AM
oddballObviously you guys know that this shit happens in CA a lot. Back in the 2012 election cycle, a guy in my neighborhood ahead of me in line tried to vote at our precinct, but was turned away because someone else already voted in his name. He was so angry, yet the first vote stood.
Texas election will be the first time that I will show ID at the polls. Never done that before.
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November 06, 2018, 08:49 AM
Floyd D. BarberHad to show voter registration card at the first table, photo ID at the second table.
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November 06, 2018, 08:49 AM
HK AgThat is why I always vote early here in Texas, same as game day but I have additional opportunities if the line is too long, or I forgot something or I have a flat on the way to the location.
Thanks for voting!!
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November 06, 2018, 08:52 AM
a1abdjMy little polling station takes my ID and scans it in the computer. I'm assuming it's taking an image of it.
I'm all for computerized voting, but that comes with it's own risk of fraud. Perhaps if each voter had a unique voter ID number, the machine issued you a receipt, and you could go online and look at the voter numbers and how they voted to verify across the board that your selection is what was counted.
November 06, 2018, 09:03 AM
jigray3Voting is single the most important right we have, and yet it is the least protected. If even one person votes fraudulently, it disenfranchises all legitimate voters. But that's the goal of liberals everywhere, isn't it.
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