My wife just bought a new 2019 RAV4, with remote "clicker thingy" (technical term), push-button start.

There is a key slot in the door, but I did not notice until today that we did not receive any keys, just the two clicker thingies.

Does anybody have a new Toyota with similar entry / start system?

I am concerned that we did not receive any key for the door lock. What happens if the clicker thingy's battery dies, or the thingy itself goes bad. Is there no old-fashioned back-up system to get into the vehicle, no back-up system to start it?

It's built into the fob, there should be a little lever or button or something to release it. Usually it's the part the keyring attaches to.

Your remote hss a metal bladed key inside it. Usually the butt end of the key is the lanyard type loop that would attach the remote fob to a key chain. There is a latch somewhere on the side of the remote that will release the key so you can withdraw it from the fob.

There should be a picture of it in the thousand page manual.

There is no backup key for starting. The backup key is for getting inside the vehicle when the electronics are not working (for instance, when the battery is complete dead).

If the electronics are not working, the engine won't start...so a backup key for engine starting is unnecessary.

Read the manual. There is a procedure for manually disengaging the transmission from park without functioning electronics. You will need to know this procedure to put the car in neutral so that it can be towed or moved if the electronics or electrical system fails.

FYI. The fob is what you give valet, and you keep key so glove box can be locked, if needed.

RTFM, L.R.

It's on page 125.

When I taught, I would tell the class the usual bullshit "There's no such thing as a dumb question."

Every now and again, I was forced to say, "Now, THAT is a dumb question!"

Additional info:
All you need to do is push the button on the bottom of your key fob to gain access to the metal key. Then, unlock your doors in the traditional manner. To start your car, depress the brake and push the start button like normal while holding the key fob as close as you can to the start button.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:

There is no backup key for starting. The backup key is for getting inside the vehicle when the electronics are not working (for instance, when the battery is complete dead).

If the electronics are not working, the engine won't start...so a backup key for engine starting is unnecessary.

So if the fob itself is dead but everything else is working, you are basically screwed. Especially at 2:00 am when you are traveling in the hinterlands and the nearest Toyota dealer is a many mile tow-truck ride.

Life was simpler when I had my 1950 Studebaker straight six with three pedals on the floor (five, if you count the headlight dimmer and starter button), and a three speed column shift. And a convertible top that was about as waterproof as a colander.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:

There is no backup key for starting. The backup key is for getting inside the vehicle when the electronics are not working (for instance, when the battery is complete dead).

If the electronics are not working, the engine won't start...so a backup key for engine starting is unnecessary.

So if the fob itself is dead but everything else is working, you are basically screwed. Especially at 2:00 am when you are traveling in the hinterlands and the nearest Toyota dealer is a many mile tow-truck ride.

Life was simpler when I had my 1950 Studebaker straight six with three pedals on the floor (five, if you count the headlight dimmer and starter button), and a three speed column shift. And a convertible top that was about as waterproof as a colander.

If the fob is dead, there should be a method, RTFM, for starting the car.
On some (Nissan, I think) you physically press the start button with the fob.
On my Mercedes, you removed the start button & insert the fob into the slot & turn like a traditional key.

If the fob is dead as in damaged electronics - yes.

However if the fob battery is dead you can follow the instructions from ZSMICHAEL above.

The fobs also have passive antennas to allow for the security stuff to work even when fob battery is dead.

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RTFM, L.R

Abbreviations and initials?!?!

You just chastised me for the same....

Or you could have a backup battery stored in your wallet or inside the vehicle in the owners manual since you now know how to access the key.

Read the manual, see how to change the battery in the fob should it go out when you are out and about...

This discriminates against those of us who can't read.

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One reads and the other writes.
Why do Carabinieri sometimes travel in three’s?
Because the third officer likes to travel in the company of well-educated people!
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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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RTFM, L.R

Abbreviations and initials?!?!

You just chastised me for the same....

My guess is “read the fucking manual,” and his own initials, as it looks like he found his own answer.

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This discriminates against those of us who can't read

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You would be surprised at the portion of the American population that cannot read beyond 6th grade level. Or maybe not.

I hate these stupid keyless start fob thingies. A solution in search of a problem.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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RTFM, L.R

Abbreviations and initials?!?!

You just chastised me for the same....

You got me, dude.

PorterN has the correct answers.

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Originally posted by arfmel:

I hate these stupid keyless start fob thingies. A solution in search of a problem.

Yup.

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Originally posted by HRK:

Or you could have a backup battery stored in your wallet or inside the vehicle in the owners manual since you now know how to access the key.

Read the manual, see how to change the battery in the fob should it go out when you are out and about...

Batteries are easy. My concern is, what if the fob decides to self-destruct? What if I drop it into a puddle of water, or drop it and step on it, totally smashing it? (You have no idea how clumsy I have become, with my fingers deadened by Guillain Barré Syndrome. My day is not complete until I have dropped two or three things.)