Stipulating up front that “drugs r bad, mkay?”

What would a Zyn nicotine pouch do to someone with no nicotine tolerance?

I’ve read that they make you sick. So what’s the upside? Why do people consume them? Is there a buzz?

Besides trying (and hating) cigarettes some 40 years ago as a kid, I have no experience with nicotine. But these things (Zyn) are everywhere.

What’s the big deal?

I like a nice bourbon buzz, and the occasional hit of the “puff, puff, pass” in the right circumstances.

We’re all adults, so no judgment. What’s the upside that makes these so popular?

I think it may increase your heart rate.

There is no upside. I’m not saying this as an ex smoker, I’m telling truth.

Nicotine isn’t an enjoyable buzz. It makes you (non nicotine dependent) light headed, nauseous, and a tad dizzy. If you incorporate it with a little weed of alcohol, it can make you feel really shitty and have a significant blood pressure drop.

Stick with it long enough (you don’t get addicted overnight, you have to kind of try) and it’ll be the hardest habit you’ll ever quit. If you think quitting smoking is hard, it’s a cakewalk compared to quitting dip. Zyn is just crystallized water soluble nicotine. When I dipped and smoked I would pop a zyn pouch in my mouth and take a huge sip of water. Force it through the pouch and instantly ingest all that nicotine at once. Insta-fix for my dip craving, in a few seconds.

If you aren’t into nicotine, go have a drink. Leave that shit alone.

ETA, I’m almost six years nicotine free. I stopped craving cigarettes after two-ish years. The cravings for dip died off mostly after 4 years, but I still get the itch every now and again. I just know that I can NEVER just have one. If I have one cigarette or dip, or zyn, I’ll be back in full swing in a weeks time.

People use them to increase mood, concentration and energy.

The negatives are it can increase blood pressure and heart rate.


I’ve never seen a study that shows nicotine is bad for you it’s seen in a negative light because of the way the nicotine was transferred into the body which was through smoking. There was actually a study that showed it might prevent Alzheimer’s by increased vessel size and blood flow.


I’ve never tried any though so I haven’t really looked into them too in depth.

Well, not really into the pouches as I like to have a piece of gum to chew on. It is addictive first and foremost, your tolerance will increase obviously. Lucy gum has 2-8 mg options. It's become a popular nootropic lately. It helps with focus, appetite suppression, and energy. It helps if you are healthy, metabolically, to begin with. Lately, I've moved more to Kava. There's nothing good to say about alcohol.

Not sure if it's still the case, but bodybuilders would use nicotine as a appetite suppressant (nauseau tends to do that) when they wanted to cut weight.

It's 6 bucks, try it out and let us know.

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There's nothing good to say about alcohol.

Well, it's gotten me laid a time or two.

I smoked from 15-30 and I stopped using the patch back in 2007. I occasionally smoke a cigar 1-2 a year and really enjoy them. Recently I tried Zyn two times and both times it made me sick enough to throw up. There will not be a third time.

I stopped chewing and started Zyn. Coffee flavor. 3mg. Pouches. 2-3 per day. Is it good for me. No, probably not. Is it bad for me. Probably. Better health wise than smoking, vaping, or dipping I am sure that is a big yes. And yes. I do want to quit the Zyn as well.

The few times I tried dip when I was young and dumb I remember the nicotine buzz being very strong.
Think I tried it twice and it made me vomit both times. Yeah, not for me.

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Nicotine isn’t an enjoyable buzz. It makes you (non nicotine dependent) light headed,

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People use them to increase mood, concentration and energy.

These two things seem like polar opposites.

I’m assuming your physiology must affect the effects? Some people are happy drunks, some are mean.

I’ll probably try it at some point, but it doesn’t sound like fun.

Speaking as a former smoker, what you quoted, you missed the key context in parentheses. If you are not yet addicted, then what Noah described is the typical person's reaction to nicotine. Once you work at becoming addicted, then people "use" nicotine to get the effects in your second quote.

If feeling nauseated, clammy, and shaky a few dozen times sounds like a reasonable barrier to entry to getting those effects, then have at. Millions and millions have. I will warn you that becoming dependent and not being able to get your fix for whatever reason will make you uncontrollably irritable beyond all reasoning. You don't get the benefits without the downside, you have to keep feeding that monkey.

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Originally posted by fwbulldog:
I’ll probably try it at some point, ...

To quote the sage Joseph R. Biden, "Don't...don't".

Ask any former smoker/chewer if they wish they'd never taken that first one.

Is there any link to cancer of the mouth?

When I was still on the PD, I'd go to lunch with the Chief and another Capt. Both were smokers and we'd use the Chief's department car. It was so infused with the smell of cigarettes and had the tar and nicotine on every surface I'd almost gag. It got to the point I'd meet them and take my car.

Now many yeas later the Chief gave up smoking cigarettes and rarely smokes anything else and the other Capt died of lung cancer.

The physiology of smoking tobacco is the real kicker. You inhale the smoke and it’s dumped into your pulmonary artery which takes it directly to your heart. From your heart, it’s pumped directly to your brain (and the rest of your body). In your brain, it stimulates the release of dopamine, which your brain enjoys and makes you feel better for a while. The addiction is related to the release of dopamine and develops a tolerance in most people, so you crave more and tend to smoke more.

Oral nicotine follows a different route to the brain and this makes it somewhat less effective.

Q will correct me if I am wrong.

RMD

I’ll give a different perspective.

I grew up on a tobacco farm in NC. I was working in the fields, hand picking tobacco leaves, before I was 10 (“priming” tobacco was the verb we used).

One would pluck 3-6 leaves off at a time, each being about the size of a big toilet seat lid, and stash them under your support arm until you couldn’t carry anymore. Then you would take them to the trailer (we called it a “sled” still, from the days before my time when they were horse-drawn), and then repeat over and over until you and the crew had harvested about an acre’s worth, which would fill a barn. Then you spent the rest of the day doing that part, handling it all over again (and we still used stick barns some, up to the late 1990s, for any other tobacco people’s entertainment).


The gum from the leaves, with the help of sweat and dew, would pass the nicotine through your pores. And when it was cured several weeks later, you got to stomp on the dried leaves to compress them and tie them up in huge burlap sacks, getting a nose full of tobacco dust.

Many would get headaches or nauseated. Some would take Dramamine. I expect I was addicted to nicotine at that age and didn’t even know it. And that gum would get stuck on everything, and stayed forever.

Different world back then. Tobacco was our life and my family made very good money farming it, and with the government subsidies it was almost impossible to fail.

And I don’t miss it one single bit. Hard, hot, miserable work. That seemed to never end. My family sold its tobacco poundage in 2000 and switched to chickens. My ass became a paramedic and a cop. Both were a hell of a lot easier!!!

It’s a stimulant.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
People use them to increase mood, concentration and energy.

The negatives are it can increase blood pressure and heart rate.


I’ve never seen a study that shows nicotine is bad for you it’s seen in a negative light because of the way the nicotine was transferred into the body which was through smoking. There was actually a study that showed it might prevent Alzheimer’s by increased vessel size and blood flow.


I’ve never tried any though so I haven’t really looked into them too in depth.

Have you been asleep for the past 50 or 60 years. Nicotine is TOXIC. LOOK IT UP. It's still in use in some areas as an Insecticide.

Hell, I just looked it up and the following is the first response to the query "is Nicotine Poisonous".

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"Nicotine poisoning occurs when nicotine begins to exhibit more dire toxic effects on an individual." The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) warns that 50 to 60 milligrams of nicotine is a deadly dose for an adult who weighs about 150 pounds.Oct 1, 2019