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Originally posted by drill sgt:
Pay the man........ you stated it would be just you and your wife and that you both were old and weak.... Probably cheaper in the long run to pay the man than possibly paying the medical bills as well as physical recovery time from strained mussels or broke bones.... Bolt it down to the floor.... REMEMBER...... A lock only slows down a honest person. .......................... drill sgt.

For your situation this is the thing to do. Have it brought in and installed. Done and done. Young dudes and tradesmen move these kinds of things all the time all day long, but since you're not one of those guys, just pay to have it moved. For a small safe like that, you wouldn't need a dedicated safe installer since those guys routinely move one half to one ton safes all day long, you could hire two guys and a truck. But a dedicated safe mover could do a very nice job in the blink of an eye.

Impressed you got an AMSEC, that is very high quality.

Don't forget to bolt it down and use fire putty in the pre-drilled bolt-down holes in the safe that will attach to your foundation and/or walls. I'd recommend you get help for that from the Amsec company for specifics, or a dedicated safe installer, wouldn't want your stuff to burn because the mounting holes weren't properly sealed from fire, while the safe would have otherwise protected your content.

I only mention this because a burglar could easily snatch a 300 pound safe in the blink of an eye with a cheap dolly or by hand with a buddy.

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Originally posted by AITG:
I bought my safe from a company that only sold safes. Two guys delivered it with an electric hand truck that climbed stairs (I didn't know that there was such a thing).

https://www.ultralift.com/products.html

I introduce you to the Ultralift. It is fantastic at what it does.

As well as being able to be carted off (and even if the neighbors see anything, they'll chalk it up to legit movers or just not even care), these safes can be busted open with an ordinary ax, to say nothing of a power saw. There is really no defense against people that determined. But they are not who you're defending against. The much more likely scenario is the opportunistic thief looking for a quick, wham, bam, in & out score for dope money.

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Originally posted by Patrick-SP2022:
The saloon heist scene from Westworld S1E1 came to mind.

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That's fantastic! I've never seen the show, but that definitely illustrates my point.

They cost more, but what about a USA made Zanotti safe? I have one, solid as any.

https://zanottiarmor.com/

My dad has one of those that I helped assemble. It's nice, but not a fire safe like the UL1812 konata88 posted.

If konata88 wants an actual safe, the AmSec CEV1814 has about the same interior space as the UL1812 and the same 2 hour fire rating; however, it weighs almost 3x as much and costs $1,000 more because it has much thicker steel, concrete instead of clay for fire resistance, and not something you can break into with an axe. Just depends on what your goals are.

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the AmSec CEV1814

Thanks all! I'm trending to having someone else transport the safe. I'm apprehensive still but it may be my reality from now on.

I'll look into the suggestion above.

Tell whomever you talk to about moving the safe that is is for you to store cases of Surströmming as you love it and cannot bear that someone might steal it.

Likely no one shall ever endeavor to get into that safe.

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Originally posted by sourdough44:
They cost more, but what about a USA made Zanotti safe? I have one, solid as any.

https://zanottiarmor.com/

I have one as well. But it has no fire proofing to speak of. Another assemble yourself safe that does have fireproofing is snap safe.

I’m satisfied with my Zanotti. I did buy a fireproof document case that I put inside the safe for stuff.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

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Originally posted by konata88:...Keep in mind that we're both old and weak. ...

No question. Call the man.

Yeah. In bringing the safe door across the driveway from my garage to the front door, I was leading walking backwards. There’s a short step / landing in front of the front door, I could not put either of my foot on the landing and step up. I had to have the other guy take the lead so I can step up forward. There’s a lot of things we take for granted when we’re young.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Thanks. Yea, if I had buddies in the area, this would be easy. But that's the problem, it's just me and my wife.

So, the electronic lock is the way to go on this?

I had some work that was beyond my 87 year old physical ability. There was a young man who was advertising on NextDoor.com; his seasonal work was not keeping him busy and he was available for odd jobs, day work, etc. I used him for some of the things that I can't do. It worked out very well for both of us.

Re the electronic lock, it might be more convenient, but is more likely to develop a problem sooner or later. I prefer a mechanical dial lock. Don't put the combination on a Post-It note, stuck on the safe door.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

Tell whomever you talk to about moving the safe that is is for you to store cases of Surströmming as you love it and cannot bear that someone might steal it.

Likely no one shall ever endeavor to get into that safe.

During the production of surströmming, just enough salt is used to prevent the raw herring from rotting while allowing it to ferment. A fermentation process of at least six months gives the fish its characteristic strong smell and somewhat acidic taste. A newly opened can of surströmming has one of the most putrid food smells in the world, even stronger than similarly fermented fish dishes such as the Korean hongeo-hoe, the Japanese kusaya or the Icelandic hákarl, making surströmming an acquired taste.

I hate this about companies - trying to obfuscate country of origin.

Can somebody in the know confirm that:
1. CE1814 is made in usa
2. CEV1814 is not made in usa

3. UL1812x is not made in usa; assembled and painted in usa only (per amsec product page).

If above is true (#1,2; #3 is true per amsec), then my only choice of the 3 above is really just #1 unless I can confirm the safes are made outside of the usa other than chicom.

Option #2 is priced significantly less than option #1. They seem to have the same specs, so it’s probably safe to say #2 is made in China. AmSec’s website lists #1 at 710lbs and #2 at 854lbs, while other websites list #2 at 710lbs. I’m guessing the 854 is a misprint. If so, then it does not weigh almost 3x as much as option #3 like I posted earlier.

The first we bought, Liberty Fat Boy Jr. I had put in place by the owner of the shop where I bought it. The next safe I bought, another Liberty, is about 338 lbs. and installed it myself. Granted I had to rent a U-Haul, strap it down really well and used a hand truck/dolly to bring it into the house. I bolted it to the floor in x4 places and turned out well. My son helped me and it was hard but not that bad. I have a single story home but if you have 2 stories or a wood floor, I would have the pros do it as you want to make sure it will stay where it is and not go through the floor.