Remember in the 70s all those commercials (by the NAACP?) which said we were to judge a person by who they were, not their skin color?

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Originally posted by Crom:
A good question for SJWs:

How many years would we need continue preferential treatment and programs benefitting certain minorities, with no significant change in the measurable statistics, before we just admitted there was a real difference?
100 ? 150? 200?
I think we would all agree to do whatever it takes to "solve" the "racism accusations problem" if we just knew what the end date would be.

I thought racism ended the day Nikki Haley lowered the Confederate Flag at the South Carolina State Capital. Am I wrong???

Although I applaud her for the job she's doing as a duly appointed member of the Trump administration as our UN Ambassador, that is the one issue I would hold her feet to the fire should I ever meet her face to face. Appease appease appease...not enough

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Remember in the 70s all those commercials (by the NAACP?) which said we were to judge a person by who they were, not their skin color?

I do. Along with the PSA's for The United Negro College Fund because "a mind is a terrible thing to waste". In my yute, I thought, "wow...what a worthy cause".

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
... if only the TEACHERS demanded it, instead of making bullshit excuses.

Teachers shouldn't have to demand anything. Part of success in life and part of going to school is self-motivation. One doesn't do something because someone else demanded it. One does something but one wants the outcome of it (ie - in this case, learning something). One doesn't learn because someone else is demanding it.

It's not the competency per se that will hold these kids back. It's their attitude.

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One doesn't learn because someone else is demanding it.

Well, based on personal experience I can say that when teachers demand performance from their students, the students will step up and perform.

At least they did when I was a student, and some years later when I was teaching at the college level. Same applied when I was on an instructor assignment for IBM. That assignment lasted a year, teaching about a new machine and technology.

I think History of Somalia should be added to the curriculum. Must have been an oversight.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Remember in the 70s all those commercials (by the NAACP?) which said we were to judge a person by who they were, not their skin color?

You make a good point.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elk Hunter:...Well, based on personal experience I can say that when teachers demand performance from their students, the students will step up and perform..../QUOTE]

After 20 years of teaching college, I mostly agree with you. At least a few years ago many students would rise to the level of expectation. I just had this discussion with the Dean's admin asst. These days, too often students have been coddled, and believe they deserve success even if they don't/can't/won't perform.

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Originally posted by konata88:...It's not the competency per se that will hold these kids back. It's their attitude.

..I might suggest those are not independent variables.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
The inevitable end to this is a further gap in the upper class and everyone else.

The upper class live in great school districts where these kinds of schools don't exist and/or they send their kids to private schools.

The kids in these public schools are being taught that their conduct is without consequences and that they are victims. Meanwhile, in the wealthy schools, kids are learning their subject and being taught to strive for more.

I'll be honest, I read these stories and don't give one shit. I don't have the time or the desire to deal with this BS. Do what ever you need to do public school board, I'm busy raising my kids free from all this crap.

If this is what the parents in these school districts want, have at it. I live in a quiet suburb full of hard working law abiding citizens and I always will. I'll move if need be to avoid this crap.

No one is coming to save these people. They will get exactly what they ask for and their children will be a direct result of the effort they put in to raise them. I'm worrying about me and mine and suggest everyone do the same.

The problem is that these kids graduate and infect the voter pool - which impacts all of us - especially as they continue to migrate out of their local cesspools and into other states/communities.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

After 20 years of teaching college, I mostly agree with you. At least a few years ago many students would rise to the level of expectation. I just had this discussion with the Dean's admin asst. These days, too often students have been coddled, and believe they deserve success even if they don't/can't/won't perform.

Perhaps we're interpreting "demand" differently? I agree with teaching to the limits of a students ability. Teach more complex stuff. Teach at faster paces. As long as the student can keep up. If that is demanding performance, then I agree. Let them rise to the occasion, rah rah rah.

If by 'demanding' you mean to request someone to do something that they don't want to do (ie - read this book, solve these problems, etc) then demanding doesn't help.

The GDC's fomenting this absurdity should be summarily terminated.

there are lies, damned lies and racist statistics

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
I spent a year working/teaching at an upscale black university here in Virginia. I was ONE OF TWO white teachers on campus and the other guy was part time.

Tuition there was pretty high so few of the lower income population were students there.

Cheating was widely known and apparently condoned because virtually NOTHING was done to stop it. Until I got there. I published my course requirements, including the punishment for cheating. Had 3 students that cheated during the first semester, none the second.

The accounting department teachers told me they were experiencing about 30% of their students cheating. Their answer was to try to make it harder to cheat by making up several different tests which were randomly distributed to students and collected at the end of the class period. The idea was if they cheated they would likely get the wrong answer. Yeah, big help that.

And it must be noted that this was back in 1991.

One of the students I caught cheating was a female and when her "mommy" found out that the girl had received a failing grade (for cheating), mommy came down from upstate NY in order to convince me not to give her daughter a failing grade. On top of that, the girl was reportedly going to go into the army when she graduated, AND SHE WAS PREGNANT.

I did not change the girl's grade. Mommy got all teary eyed and told me that it was my Christian "duty" to forgive the girl. I told her that as a Christian I did forgive her, but was not going to change her grade!

Still do not understand the concept that cheating was OK, and if caught it was a Christian's duty to let it slide.

The school requested IBM to leave me there for another year, which unfortunately, did not come to pass. There were a LOT of student tears when I left there. We were stopped on our way out of the campus by a group of students, in tears, wanting to know why I was leaving. And asked me, "who is going to care about us when you leave?"

Long response, but my purpose is to show that this crap of just letting black students slide through school because the are black is a non-starter. I proved, in the classroom, that black students could do the work, learn the material, cobble an intelligent sentence/paper together if only the TEACHERS demanded it, instead of making bullshit excuses.

None of this kind of theory is to help Black people advance. That is counter productive to the Progressive who needs failure to build their careers upon. If success helped the Progressive, then Black people would be made to excel, just like anyone else.

As a society, we've become too polite.

The appropriate response to this is open, loud, and public mocking and ridicule, preferably at well-attended public meetings. Start with "You're an idiotic f***ing muppet, and here's why..."

Do that enough, and perhaps it will sink in.

It is not just Minnesota...

Twenty five years ago I sat in a high school classroom watching a masterful teacher conducting her charges in a lesson on government. Over a rushed lunch she told me that this was going to be her last year as she was taking early retirement.

Why? Earlier in the year (shortly after the first semester) she had to attend a meeting with the building principal and justify to the parents of six of her students why they had not received A grades. The parents were concerned not with what the students produced but how the grade would impact their children's future educational plans.

The teacher told me that when she started teaching had she given out six A grades in a class the principal would have asked her to justify so doing.

At a national level the issue of behavior disruptive to the educational environment is only a portion of the travesty that has become the reality in many of the modern K-12 public school systems.

What are the contents of this almost toxic brew we are serving this nation's children?
1. An appalling national decline in both literacy and numeracy.

2. Cheating and plagiarism on scales that would make Bernie Madoff and Jayson Blair blush.

3. The highly negative impact of the misuse of technology in far too many classrooms which has allowed students to replace effort with glitz.

4. Parents who refuse to provide for their child both the structure and modeling necessary for a child to grow and function in the world (perhaps the big one).

5. A system that focuses on the remediation of deficiencies rather than the building of strengths. While this impacts the student with subject-area weaknesses, the more troubling aspect is that too many top students are not sufficiently challenged.

6. Absurdly deep and broad learning goals established on the part of states' department of education.

7. High stakes testing, the results of which produce a politically untenable position for the politition so states keep changing both the tests and how they are scored which forces educators to play a twisted game of "pin the tail on the donkey."

As difficult as this is for me to write, the only practical solution to repair the damage done to the public educational system that I can see is the promotion of competition. Whether through vouchers or tax credits, allowing parents to choose where and how their child is educated will, in time, force the public system (still a great ideal) to reform.

Silent

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elk Hunter:...Well, based on personal experience I can say that when teachers demand performance from their students, the students will step up and perform..../QUOTE]

I taught a Freshman algebra. One day I was called to meet with a parent, student and vice principal. Surprise, the student had told them what a great teacher I was and how much she enjoyed math. Her mother asked "You used to enjoy math until you got to middle school. What happened? The student replied "Oh, then I knew grades didn't count and we'd get passed anyway."

If it's free, people don't value it much.

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Originally posted by IndyRob:
Um didn't they just prove this idea was a total failure in Broward County?

Seriously, is there a single progressive with a lick of common sense?

I have yet to find one.

flashguy

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
... if only the TEACHERS demanded it, instead of making bullshit excuses.

Teachers shouldn't have to demand anything. Part of success in life and part of going to school is self-motivation. One doesn't do something because someone else demanded it. One does something but one wants the outcome of it (ie - in this case, learning something). One doesn't learn because someone else is demanding it.

It's not the competency per se that will hold these kids back. It's their attitude.

My teachers didn't demand it--they expected it. It was my parents that demanded it!

flashguy