Tesla has introduced the Model Y Standard. I like the way they are going but keep getting rid of more crap.
Get rid of all the cameras but the back up camera, the power front seats, the power lift gate. I would say get rid of the heated seats but I am am guessing it does help keep it efficient as you don’t need the vehicle as warm in the winter. Get rid of the pop out door handles, get rid of all the nanny software.
Keep going I want less.
I just want a simple AWD EV that goes 250 miles in all weather conditions.
I don’t need blistering 0-60 times LED light bars all over.

I like where they are going with it.

What is the MSRP of the stripped down version?

The video says $40,000 and the regular version is $45,000. I don't see the reason for this existing. It needs to be $35,000.

It’s only 5k less than the original and they took a lot away. If I was in the market I’d have to get the premium and I’m a fan of the light bar.

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Originally posted by Skull Leader:
The video says $40,000 and the regular version is $45,000. I don't see the reason for this existing. It needs to be $35,000.

You are correct they need to get the Y to 35,000 and the 3 to $30,000.
Guess they are doing a Standard 3 at 37k.

This is a great marketing idea. Most families with two or more vehicles will benefit from having at least one EV. Let’s face it one of a families cars is just a basic commuter and why not get the most efficient vehicle you can that is still amazingly comfortable, very safe and very economical to drive.

We have 4 different vehicles (don’t ask!) and find ourselves driving the Y most of the time. We have spent $0.00 on maintenance since we took delivery and 75% of our charging is done at home at a very affordable rate.

Your definition of “benefit” is interesting. There is no math that justifies spending $40,000 on a car to save gas. The break even point is obscene. If by “benefit” you just mean enjoy then I suggest going on spendy vacations and avoid buying extra cars. Math.

Cool cars but it’s funny how the rationalizations go. I NEED a third car. No you don’t. You want one.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
I don’t need blistering 0-60 times LED light bars all over.

I mean... I was with you until you wanted the LED light bars gone. I'm a man of simple tastes: I like my sci fi shit. I can't help it, I grew up in the 80's and watched way too much Knight Rider, Blade Runner, and Back to the Future. Strip all the extras off it, but keep some of the K.I.T.T. and Doc Brown DeLorean vibes and I'm there.

I keep saying if they could get a stripped down x2 door coupe. That did over 250 miles and was still around 4.0 in 0-60 mph. Get the price just under $30K. They'd sell like hot cakes.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Your definition of “benefit” is interesting. There is no math that justifies spending $40,000 on a car to save gas. The break even point is obscene. If by “benefit” you just mean enjoy then I suggest going on spendy vacations and avoid buying extra cars. Math.

Cool cars but it’s funny how the rationalizations go. I NEED a third car. No you don’t. You want one.

I think he is referring to the benefit that most people can replace one of their gas vehicles for an EV.

My situation I am adding a vehicle because I like my truck and need the truck a fair amount..
I am also not looking at new. I am looking used at around $25k or less.
I also realize it is a want and not a need.

I’ll save $200 a month in gas which will cover insurance and a large chunk of the payment. I will also save a decent amount of maintenance on my truck. Plus I’ll be able to keep the Tundra going for years longer.
So it’s not a complete wash but I realize it’s a want and I willing to have a small added expense for an EV.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
I don’t need blistering 0-60 times LED light bars all over.

I mean... I was with you until you wanted the LED light bars gone. I'm a man of simple tastes: I like my sci fi shit. I can't help it, I grew up in the 80's and watched way too much Knight Rider, Blade Runner, and Back to the Future. Strip all the extras off it, but keep some of the K.I.T.T. and Doc Brown DeLorean vibes and I'm there.

Sure they look cool. The Navigator I got my wife has a ton of them and they look cool.

But my reasoning for an EV is not to look cool. LEDs are expensive adding to the cost and when they go bad more of a cost.
I want the least expensive most mileage available EV.

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Model 3 base will start at $35K, Model Y at $39, that's $5K off both...

Ended up getting the Equinox EV RS from Chevy as I got a better deal, but the Model Y was very tempting and the acceleration was awesome.

A few years ago when I was blowing through 4-500 a month in gas in my Tundra a Tesla would have saved me a fortune. Now I’m under a hundred a month in gas so it wouldn’t do a whole lot for me. Getting one isn’t off the table but it wouldn’t be a want not a need for me too. My son has had his Model 3 for about 6 months now and loves it but even he said he thought he’d be saving more money than he is. I’d have to get a Y if I get one because as nice as his 3 is it’s low to get in and out of.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Your definition of “benefit” is interesting. There is no math that justifies spending $40,000 on a car to save gas. The break even point is obscene. If by “benefit” you just mean enjoy then I suggest going on spendy vacations and avoid buying extra cars. Math.

Cool cars but it’s funny how the rationalizations go. I NEED a third car. No you don’t. You want one.

When the average price of a new car is almost $50k and being able to get one for $10k less is a definite benefit any way you choose to define it.

Secondly, the maintenance cost are significantly lower than any ICE vehicle. That is a proven fact.

Not having to stop at a gas station every week is time saved and is another benefit. Yes charging at a super charger might take longer, our charge is usually between 5 and 10 minutes which works out fine for us to take a pee brake and continue driving… most people drive way less than you can go on a full charge per day.

I guess my point was that nobody benefits from having multiple cars. We do it because we can afford to not because it is beneficial from a $$$ standpoint.

The original post spoke of having multiple family cars and it being a benefit to have one of them an EV. It might be nice, it might be fun, but there is no financial benefit that outweighs the cost to merely add another car to the stable.

The cheapest car, bar none, is one (1) car per user, paid off, and drive it till the wheels metaphorically come off. No math in the world has a reasonable break even point to buying ADDITIONAL cars regardless of gas, oil, maintenance costs. $30,000 buys a lot of gas and maintenance. I buy less than a hundred bucks a month in gas for my commute. 30 large would go a long way. lol.

I also take mild umbrage at the complete confidence in which everyone has declared the EV the car of the future. Like there just isn’t even room for that to be incorrect. Maybe. I keep reading about every advance in tech that is guaranteed to be just around the corner. A tiny battery that holds a massive charge. The ability to top off any battery in minutes. Long life. Ease of replacement. Cheap. That all sounds great. What if the tech gets bogged down and doesn’t quite get there? The sheer arrogance of the EV world is impressive. I’m not from Missouri, but show me.

That’s not entirely accurate. 2 vehicles, can indeed be less expensive over time. Key bit being over time. It takes years for the delta. I know as I’ve done it.

One, has to specifically be a commuter/donkey. Something on the lower end of the MSRP scale. The other being a need for something like towing, etc. It makes no sense to daily drive an expensive truck needed for towing. You wear it out quicker doing mundane driving in it like commuting, grocery trips, etc. The more expensive it is, generally, is also the quicker it depreciates. So it makes no sense, financially, to drive an expensive vehicle everyday. Whether needed or wanted, for the 2nd vehicle, if it’s expensive, use the donkey instead for the mundane things.

As far as EV’s go. I’ve been daily driving one for almost 12 years now (Feb will be 12 years). Virtually no maintenance. Just tires, new 12v every 4 years, and in cabin air filter replacements. No stoppages. No recall anything. No nothing. I’ve run panels the entire time on the house during, so fueling it has been next to nothing in cost. What it won’t do is have the range for a road trip. But the range is just fine for a donkey in a major metro. From leasing it new, to owning it having the title. $19,700 all in including all lease payments, down payments, real payments (when I bought it), taxes, etc. But that doesn’t include annual registration.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I guess my point was that nobody benefits from having multiple cars. We do it because we can afford to not because it is beneficial from a $$$ standpoint.

The original post spoke of having multiple family cars and it being a benefit to have one of them an EV. It might be nice, it might be fun, but there is no financial benefit that outweighs the cost to merely add another car to the stable.

The cheapest car, bar none, is one (1) car per user, paid off, and drive it till the wheels metaphorically come off. No math in the world has a reasonable break even point to buying ADDITIONAL cars regardless of gas, oil, maintenance costs. $30,000 buys a lot of gas and maintenance. I buy less than a hundred bucks a month in gas for my commute. 30 large would go a long way. lol.

I also take mild umbrage at the complete confidence in which everyone has declared the EV the car of the future. Like there just isn’t even room for that to be incorrect. Maybe. I keep reading about every advance in tech that is guaranteed to be just around the corner. A tiny battery that holds a massive charge. The ability to top off any battery in minutes. Long life. Ease of replacement. Cheap. That all sounds great. What if the tech gets bogged down and doesn’t quite get there? The sheer arrogance of the EV world is impressive. I’m not from Missouri, but show me.

Dude, seriously?
You’re making my argument for me. Most families have two cars because most families have two wage earners that drive to work. If one car is an Ev that leaves room for the other to be a family hauler like a Tahoe or what ever floats their boat.

Neither I nor anyone else on this forum stated that electric cars are the only way to go. But it is a very practical and affordable second car for a huge section of our country.

Try one you might just be surprised. You can make an appointment at any Tesla store with zero pressure.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I guess my point was that nobody benefits from having multiple cars. We do it because we can afford to not because it is beneficial from a $$$ standpoint.

The original post spoke of having multiple family cars and it being a benefit to have one of them an EV. It might be nice, it might be fun, but there is no financial benefit that outweighs the cost to merely add another car to the stable.

I think you are confused on what is being said. His initial comment being that ONE of the two vehicles that most families have being an EV and one being an ICE. Is in many (not all) cases the best financial option when you actually break things down by comparing similarly priced vehicles.

He happens to be like me and adding the EV as a 3rd or more vehicle. But we know that it is an extra and a bit of a luxury and that was not who he was speaking of.
My wife has the Navigator as our main family mover. I could easily sell my Tundra for $25k and be in a Y for $5k out of pocket.
Tundra is currently paid off. I would save $200 a month on gas and $20 a month on insurance. If I sold the Tundra and just bought a used Y. Granted everyone’s specific numbers will vary based upon their vehicle mileage, age, mpg, etc.
But if you are comparing similarly priced EVs to ICE in the end the EV will come out cheaper.
I like my truck and use my truck as a truck quite a bit. So If I buy a used Y without selling the Tundra I save $200 a month on gas that could help offset the cost of the Y. That will also add years to the service life of my Tundra. So for a small cost thanks to gas savings and cheap electric rates I have a 3rd vehicle and I am good with that.

I don’t think EVs are the end all. I don’t expect current technology EVs to be worth much at 10 years old to be worth much or I would sell my Tundra and get a couple year old Rivian.

My point of this thread the more luxuries/crap (I don’t want) they take out to lower the cost of new vehicles, the cost of used vehicles (only thing I am interested in) come down.
Making EVs an even better option as the prices come down.

Don't forget, Nuclear powered electrical generation was going to be too cheap to meter. I'll wait on the electric car until then.

I like the idea of the cameras.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I guess my point was that nobody benefits from having multiple cars.

I benefit from having multiple cars.

I keep a Japanese one around because my German one breaks too often!

The German one costs about half what the Japanese one does, in terms of feeding it. Repair costs eat up that savings, though. Ugh.