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Oh, man, I love Edward Hopper! | |||
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My gastroenterologist has treated several patients in liver failure due to supplements from China. The Chinese don't give a damn what they put in the capsule and it might be the herb they say, it might be herb they say but contaminated (carcinogen, actual prescription drug the herb supposedly mimics, salmonella, etc), or it might be something else entirely. For example, here is a past thread about FDA's website containing page after page after page of warnings about Chinese supplements. In other words, if you're going to use supplements purchase them from established US suppliers with QA/QC not the lowest cost fly by night Chinese product on Amazon/Ali Express/eBay. To paraphrase Shugart, "if it's strong enough to cause an action, it's strong enough to cause a reaction" Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Those are all excellent points. I would tell anyone contemplating kratom use to be very aware of quality, purity, and contamination issues. For me, the risk element is superceded by the pain issue. I know and accept this risk. | |||
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Pretty good thread, para on a roll. How do you take kratom? ________________________ God spelled backwards is dog | |||
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It's usually sold as a bulk powder or in capsule form. I mostly mix the loose powder into water, much like making Japanese powdered green tea (coincidentally has a similar taste). For travel I bring along the capsules. Usually take about 4 at a time. You can also vape it, if that's your jam. | |||
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Do you need a kratom smasher to make the pills? _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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You put them in salads. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Well, it's usually pronounced "crate 'em", so.... | |||
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It's a fine line between shutting down snake oil salesmen and helping to protect big pharma's financial interests. Unfortunately, it's more of the latter than the former. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Bingo, that. I know next-to-nothing about Kratom but I know what was in the last batch of ChiCom counterfeit cigarettes that were seized en route to the Philadelphia area. Short version, tobacco wasn't the main ingredient, and the outright toxic crap in them terrifying. I'm not opposed to traditional medicine, naturopathic remedies, or what have you. I'm opposed as hell to ingesting anything from the PRC. Corruption and inefficiency among their civil service and health authorities makes any claims of testing basically meaningless. | |||
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The point is well taken, but kratom comes from SE Asia, not China. | |||
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Kratom is bad medicine, I believe Florida banned it. | |||
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My sister used to take it for help sleeping and she got some really potent stuff that knocked her out for like 16 hrs. She had to go to the hospital where she was revived with no adverse long term effects. From what she told me, its an opioid agonist (mimic) that doesnt suppress breathing (or shed be dead). Its effects on opioid addiction sound promising and it should be studied and possibly regulated.
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 “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Any medicine can be bad medicine if it used in the wrong way. My wife has chronic back pain and when she has a bad flareup she uses Kratom, and it helps. She uses a low dose and only 5-6 times a year. We buy from a reputable source that has the Kratom tested by an independent lab for bacterial pathogens, lead, and potency. It is probably not a choice drug of abuse because too much can cause nausea. Can idiots abuse it? Idiots sniff gas and canned air to get high. So yeah. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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I had never heard of kratom until I read this article a few days ago. https://www.stripes.com/branch...-kratom-2383913.html Civilian contractor charged in newlywed Keesler airman’s death was impaired by kratom, FBI report says BY MARGARET BAKER• THE SUN HERALD • JULY 31, 2021 BILOXI, Miss. (Tribune News Service) — A civilian contractor charged in the fatal wreck that killed one airman and critically injured three others at Keesler Air Force base had taken the herbal supplement kratom and had marijuana in his system at the time of the crash, documents show. That and other information came out in a criminal complaint against Emmett J. Bennett, a 24-year-old Biloxi man charged with involuntary manslaughter and operation of a vehicle while impaired and resulting in death. FBI special agent Hallie T. Ivy filed the complaint. The FBI, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Air Force Security Offices and the Biloxi Police Department handled the investigation. The FBI has jurisdiction because the wreck took place on federal land, and the contractor is a civilian employee. The fatal crash that took the life of Keesler airman Daniel J. Germenis, 20, happened shortly after 1 p.m. Wednesday after several witnesses spotted Bennett driving a Ford F-150 pickup truck erratically and speeding at the Air Force base in Biloxi. Bennett later spoke to investigators and told them he had taken one shot of the herbal drug kratom during a noon lunch break and had ingested 10 of the kratom pills around 10 a.m. Kratom, which is banned in various state but not in Mississippi, is a controversial herbal supplement that supporters claim is a natural cure for various illnesses and alleviates opioid withdrawal symptoms. Federal authorities have long pushed to make the supplement a Schedule 1 or 2 controlled substance because of its mind-altering effects. Vehicle dragged airman 100 feet Witnesses reported seeing Bennett acting strange prior to the incident, “getting into and out of his vehicle and cursing for no apparent reason.” The fatal crash occurred about about a mile from where witnesses first spotted him. Bennett allegedly was speeding and narrowly missed another crash before his pickup truck crossed the northbound lane of Ploesti Drive and struck a light pole. After that, the complaint says, Bennett’s vehicle hit the four airmen on the walking track. Germenis was dragged about 100 feet, and the truck stopped about 180 feet from the point of impact, the report says. After that, the complaint says, Bennett got out of his vehicle and walked over to Germenis who had been dragged by the pickup truck and started “shaking” him in an attempt to “wake him” up. Germenis, who celebrated his one-month wedding anniversary two days before the tragic accident, later died at Keesler Medical Center, and the others suffered critical injuries. He was assigned to the 336th Training Squadron. “Team Keesler is devastated by the passing of one of our Airmen,” said Col. Bill Hunter, 81st Training Wing commander. “Every airman matters at Team Keesler and has a vital role in our mission in support of national defense. We express our deepest sympathies to Daniel’s family, friends and Training Group team. He will be deeply missed.” A field sobriety test After the fatal incident, Biloxi police officer Jason Cummings performed a field sobriety test on Bennett. When it first started, the officer said, Bennett was “initially nodding off and falling asleep during field testing” but about 39 minutes later “a stimulant of some kind kicked in and Bennett was pinging around the room.” The stimulant is believed to be kratom. Bennett had an initial appearance in federal court in Gulfport after his arrest. He remains jailed. “The airmen of the 336th Training Squadron at Keesler Air Force Base are devastated by this tragedy,” Lt. Col. Ken Hirose, commander of the training squadron, said in a release. “Daniel was a model Airman who was well-known throughout the organization for his enthusiasm and joyous spirit. He was a wingman to all of us and our thoughts are with his family.” (c)2021 The Sun Herald (Biloxi, Miss.) | |||
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^If he had kratom and marijuana in his system, how do they know the problem was caused by kratom? | |||
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Was it the marijuana or kratom or a combination? I think the marijuana is probably a drug more abused as stated earlier too much kratom causes nausea which is very unpleasant. If they are mixed together I don't know what the effects are. Marijuana mixed with any psychoactive substance is going to make anyone unsafe to drive. Marijuana alone makes it unsafe to drive. Also kratom acts as a mild stimulant similar to coffee when taken in a low dose. Higher doses produce a sedative effect. So the above story does not make any sense. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Kratom makes a very poor recreational drug. You usually can't get a buzz off it. If I take a little too much, what happens is...nothing, except I waste a little money. Beyond its pain-relieving effect, it doesn't really do much. You can't say the same thing about any other opiate drugs, legal or otherwise. I also discovered that withdrawal is cake. When I went into the hospital last year for my heart failure, one thing I was worried about was being suddenly cut off from my kratom, and whether there'd be a nasty withdrawal (and I know nasty withdrawal as I went through it TWICE with prescription opiates). Well, there was a withdrawal phase, but it was almost nothing. A mild sense of discomfort that lasted all of one night. Again, this herb has been a Godsend. I'm all for regulation, but outright banning would make me very, very upset.This message has been edited. Last edited by: kkina, | |||
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If you find a trusted source, great, but here's what unscrupulous sellers do: take a clean product get a great lab test and sell something altered usually cut to extend the profits. | |||
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