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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by markand:

I seem to recall that FL doesn't have a statutory maximum permit processing time

I'd have to look it up to make sure, but if memory serves, it's 90 days.

Is the max processing time the same for FL residents AND non-residents? I am not sure, but I think I had heard from a couple of local applicants (northern VA, DC, MD) that non-resident permits were taking a long time, like 6 months. I do know that VA has a statutory max for residents (45 days), but NO max on non-resident permits.

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Originally posted by markand:

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by markand:

I seem to recall that FL doesn't have a statutory maximum permit processing time

I'd have to look it up to make sure, but if memory serves, it's 90 days.

Is the max processing time the same for FL residents AND non-residents? I am not sure, but I think I had heard from a couple of local applicants (northern VA, DC, MD) that non-resident permits were taking a long time, like 6 months. I do know that VA has a statutory max for residents (45 days), but NO max on non-resident permits.

Sorry, I do not know about non-residents. If I have time later, I'll look it up and post a follow-up. Or, you could check the Florida statutes on line.

Fried has a Florida CWP. She is a Miami lawyer and a smokeable "medical" marijuana lobbyist. John Morgan strongly endorses her . This is all we need to know. She also explored a run for governor.

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Originally posted by cne32507:
Fried has a Florida CWP. She is a Miami lawyer and a smokeable "medical" marijuana lobbyist.

She is a lobbyist for medical marijuana. We do not know whether she is a user.

I just did some homework on this and it appears that unlike the restrictions on a Federal 4473, marijuana use does not disqualify a person from obtaining a Florida CWP.

Buying a firearm from a dealer requires a 4473 form. Buying a firearm from an individual who does not hold an FFL, does not require a 4473 form. Thus, it appears to me that it is possible for a marijuana user to hold a Florida CWP and to own and carry firearms, without violating any state or federal firearms laws. Am I missing something here?

The legislature anticipated that a change in administration might be a temptation to become more restrictive on CWFL issuance. That's why this is in the last section of 790.06:

"15) The Legislature finds as a matter of public policy and fact that it is necessary to provide statewide uniform standards for issuing licenses to carry concealed weapons and firearms for self-defense and finds it necessary to occupy the field of regulation of the bearing of concealed weapons or firearms for self-defense to ensure that no honest, law-abiding person who qualifies under the provisions of this section is subjectively or arbitrarily denied his or her rights. The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall implement and administer the provisions of this section. The Legislature does not delegate to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services the authority to regulate or restrict the issuing of licenses provided for in this section, beyond those provisions contained in this section. Subjective or arbitrary actions or rules which encumber the issuing process by placing burdens on the applicant beyond those sworn statements and specified documents detailed in this section or which create restrictions beyond those specified in this section are in conflict with the intent of this section and are prohibited. This section shall be liberally construed to carry out the constitutional right to bear arms for self-defense. This section is supplemental and additional to existing rights to bear arms, and nothing in this section shall impair or diminish such rights."

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by cne32507:
Fried has a Florida CWP. She is a Miami lawyer and a smokeable "medical" marijuana lobbyist.

She is a lobbyist for medical marijuana. We do not know whether she is a user.

I just did some homework on this and it appears that unlike the restrictions on a Federal 4473, marijuana use does not disqualify a person from obtaining a Florida CWP.

Buying a firearm from a dealer requires a 4473 form. Buying a firearm from an individual who does not hold an FFL, does not require a 4473 form. Thus, it appears to me that it is possible for a marijuana user to hold a Florida CWP and to own and carry firearms, without violating any state or federal firearms laws. Am I missing something here?

Not missing something. I tend to channel bendable sometimes. I meant to convey that Fried's focus may be for legalization of growing and smoking marijuana. The John Morgan endorsement reinforces this. Since she has a CWP, I find hope that she will not muck that up. The Miami lawyer comment was contempt for, well, Miami lawyers.

Explanation via email correspondence with
Research and Training Specialist
Bureau of External Services and Quality Assurance
Division of Licensing
Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services


Me: ...which officials or agency determines changes in our concealed carry license reciprocity agreements with other states?
How does that work? If another state decides to initiate a stop in
reciprocity with Florida, who and how actually implements the change here?
Who and how in Florida could decide to initiate a stop reciprocity with
another state.
Thanks,


Florida:
Section 790.015, Florida Statutes, allows Florida to recognize concealed weapon licenses issued by other states if the other state agrees to recognize Florida concealed weapon licenses. Therefore, if another state decides not to recognize the Florida concealed weapon license, Florida will not recognize theirs. If this happens, we would typically rely on that particular state to write us and terminate this mutual recognition agreement.

I hope this helps, however, feel free to contact me should you have additional questions.

Me: Thanks for the informative reply!
I do have a corollary question: What if Florida decides to not recognize another state's concealed carry license for any reason?
( Perhaps because of a review of, or changes in the other state's requirements?)
Would or could that be process be initiated by the Florida Commissioner of Agriculture, or by another person or office? What would that process be? Would it have to get approval from the Florida Legislature?


Florida: Florida would never decide to break a reciprocity agreement with another state UNLESS the other state decided for some reason not to recognize the Florida license.

The key point to understand is that there is only one condition in Florida law for us to establish reciprocity with another state: authorities in that other state have to agree to honor the Florida concealed weapon license. Once we have secured an acknowledgment from the authorities in that other state that they will honor the Florida license, then reciprocity with that state is automatic.

Conversely, if we receive notification from authorities in that state that they wish to terminate the reciprocity agreement for some reason, then cancellation of that agreement is automatic as well. We cannot honor another state's license if that state does not honor Florida's license. The decision to terminate reciprocity agreement would be made by our Division of Licensing.

It might interest you to know that Florida did some years ago dissolve a reciprocity agreement with another state. Authorities in Nevada informed us that they would no longer honor Florida's license because we had increased the valid term of the license from five years to seven years. Nevada authorities believe that are having a seven-year license posed a problem with the conditions for reciprocity set forth in Nevada law. The good news is that since that time Nevada authorities have resolved this issue and Florida and Nevada are once again reciprocal states.

I hope this answers your question. Please let me know if I can be of further service.

Me: Thank you very much, and Merry Christmas!

I don't know why it surprises me every time I interact with an helpful, knowledgeable, intelligent government employee, but it does. The quality of that person's response above should be what we expect from all government employees.

Florida's always been a bit "strange" when it comes to what agency grants a license for what.

When I first became in Intoxilyzer operator in the late 80s (the instrument that reads blood alcohol levels), the Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services handled those licenses. Supposedly it fell to them due to the use of the laser in the instrument.

I have no idea if they are still the licensing body for that as mine expired over 10 years ago.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
I don't know why it surprises me every time I interact with an helpful, knowledgeable, intelligent government employee, but it does. The quality of that person's response above should be what we expect from all government employees.

Her reply:

"You are most welcome and Merry Christmas to you too!"

The Ag commissioner's responsibilities regarding concealed weapons permits are almost entirely administrative. The legislature makes the rules, as it were, and the Ag commissioner implements them. We have a republican dominated legislative and executive branch, and a relatively neutral and politically appointed supreme court. I'm not sure how much trouble she could actually cause without being legally derelict in her duties, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over her election unless something significant happens. She'll have enough on her plate with Big Sugar, citrus barons, and what's expected to me a multi-billion dollar marijuana industry that I doubt she'll go around looking for hornet nests to whack.

Agricultural Commissioner Says More Employees Needed To Process Background Checks

"Florida Agriculture and Consumer Services Commissioner Nikki Fried wants the legislature to provide 77 full time employees to help process background checks for gun licensing.

This, after her team did a review of an audit and saw signs of mismanagement.

“We walked in onto the program and your supposed to review the application within 90 days, we were seeing over that. And so just in my short period of time in my administration we’ve been able to streamline the process, make sure that every background check is done for every individual and we’re down to about 68 days for review. And a lot of things we saw was mismanagement of the department," said Fried.

The department came under fire during a former Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam’s administration, after an employee allowed hundreds of background checks to not be conducted. That resulted in 291 concealed-carry licenses being revoked. "


https://news.wfsu.org/post/agr...ss-background-checks


Wow! Does that mean 77 MORE ?

What if the legislature turns down her request?

Remember:

She is smart and capable.

Her election was funded in significant part by Soros and Bloomberg.