Sorry mods for putting this in the lounge, but I felt it would get the most attention here..

Please contact your Congress people and urge them to NOT vote for HB 8. It takes 5-10 min to copy and paste and email message to your representatives. You’re going to have to go through an FFL for EVERY sale if this passes. Not to mention back door registration.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members

It is my understanding that the bill has already passed the House. Calling a house member at this point is useless.

You’re correct...my apologies! I was intending to refer to the senate. The House passed the bill yesterday, correct?

From a related NPR story....

"In the unlikely event the Senate approves the measure, the White House has already signaled the President would veto the bill, should it reach his desk."

Thank goodness there's one person in Washington who's not a complete leftist scumbag. And you can bet the 'real' goal of these bills is to try and get them on the president's desk to veto so the Dem's can bash him come 2020.

And do not forget, Peter King (R - NY) was the co-sponsor of the house bill. Yeah, he's a real ally.

My senators are useless assholes so I'll call your senators instead.

Sorry, no will do. I think it is a good idea.

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Originally posted by GaryBF:
Sorry, no will do. I think it is a good idea.

Not sure if serious?

My representative might have been worth writing, but there is no point in wasting time writing to either of the two horrid wretches that are my senators.

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Originally posted by GaryBF:
Sorry, no will do. I think it is a good idea.

Wait. What?

No need. None of my reps would vote for it anyway.

But, it as never like this was going anywhere.

Boy those MS-13 guys are going to be pissed when they go to trade heroine for stolen guns and find out they have to go through an FFL.


I'll think of how I should start my email: "Dear Mr. Schumer..." Well, no point in going any farther.

Not sure about the procedure, but did republicans force the addition of illegal immigrant language in the bill?

Took me only 1 minute to email my Senators using the NRA. I know they won’t vote for it though. Just go here: https://www.nraila.org/campaig...d-check-legislation/

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by GaryBF:
Sorry, no will do. I think it is a good idea.

Wait. What?

I’m confused too. GaryBF, can you tell me why you think it’s a good idea?

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Originally posted by GaryBF: (That's just the Flomax talking)
Sorry, no will do. I think it is a good idea.

Time to take another Flomax, you must have water on the brain.

The local news showed Debbie Dingell on the floor of congress speaking on a gun control bill, I'm assuming it is the same.

She was yelling and screaming and playing the victim from her childhood to its fullest extent. Apparently the bullying on the streets levied against those who disagree has now made its way to the congressional floor.

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Originally posted by cas:
. . . heroine . . .

What kind of heroine? One from fiction, or an actual heroine, like Joan of Arc?

Corporate Oligarchs Want Gun Registration

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/...nt-gun-registration/

With the U.S. House expected to vote Wednesday on universal gun registration bill H.R. 8, four CEOs signed a letter urging Congress to spearhead this legislation.

Blake Mycoskie, the founder of TOMS’s shoes, has joined the anti-gun frenzy. At first, TOMS’s board of directors debated whether the CEO should be involved with political issues as controversial as gun control.

Mycoskie said “everyone was very concerned about us doing something like this” and was somewhat hesitant to take on this fight.

However, the board eventually embraced the gun control hysteria, as Mycoskie noted:

“But ultimately we recognized that this is an opportunity for us to really be a leader in business and to show our customers that we are engaged in the issues that matter most to them.”

Mycoskie joined the CEOs of Levi Strauss, Dick’s Sporting Goods, and RXT Realty in signing this letter calling for the U.S. to pass H.R. 8, legislation that would put the U.S. one step closer towards gun registration.

Instead of being upfront about the legislation’s true intentions, the CEOs wrote:

“… we are writing to you because we have a responsibility and obligation to stand up for the safety of our employees, customers and all Americans in the communities we serve across the country….

Mycoskie recognizes that roughly 12 percent of his customer base won’t buy his company’s shoes due to his anti-gun stances. Nevertheless, Mycoskie remains firm in his anti-gun ways stating that his company “lost some customers by doing this, but I think we also strengthened our relationship in a way that was far greater than whatever we lost.”

Scott Rechler, the CEO of RXR Realty, has also become a gun control advocate and believes that it is “important for CEOs to take a greater level of social responsibility.”

It remains to be seen if these statements will hurt Mycoskie and Rechler’s companies, but if Dick’s Sporting Goods’s experience is any indicator, it may not turn out so well for these gun control-supporting companies. When Dick’s decided to stop selling AR-15s and banned individuals under 21 from buying firearms, sales plummeted.

Ever since the Las Vegas and Parkland shootings, gun controllers nationwide have come out in force trying to pass gun control legislation in state legislatures across the country. From 2016 to 2018, Democrats were completely shut out of power at the federal level, so they turned to state legislatures and the corporate boardroom to undermine gun rights.

Corporations are continuing this gun control crusade by cutting ties with firearms vendors and gun-related organizations. This recent announcement shows that corporate interests won’t relent.

It’s time that gun owners fight back by hitting corporations where it hurts them most—their pocketbooks.

You'd think that they'd research instances where gun databases have already been tried. In Canada, and MA, and I'd include the fired case database in Maryland I believe it was?

Sure, gun registration sounds great, right? We can track all the guns, Ooooo.

Well guess what, that database has a cost, and it will also need to prove to actually be useful for that cost to be sustained.

Even if "universal background checks" become a thing, a federal database of every gun and owner will be so costly and cumbersome it will be abandoned. The paper copy load the ATF already has is ridiculous and expensive. A federal database of all registered firearms would dwarf that.

What it would do, would make undeniable that lawful gun owners are seldom implicated in crimes. Then they'd quietly disband it because it will have been embarrassingly expensive and worthless.

All firearms purchased from an FFL are already permanently recorded, in that FFLs bound books. 4473s are kept for a period then destroyed varying by state. It's just not in a centralized database, and doesn't need to be.

Here in MA they made a big deal about how they were digitizing all firearms transactions, this was oh, 7ish years ago now. FFLs had to buy fingerprint scanners and pay for the software. It was more a backdoor way to flush "kitchen table FFLs" who couldn't pay the thousands for the mandated equipment. Then for years, in addition to the 4473, you had to scan your thumb so the state had a record of your purchase. There was great fanfare about it when it was introduced, that it would "make the streets safer" and all that BS. Then one day, it was just gone. Turned out the nimrods underestimated the storage space/maintenance/power/administrative costs. So they quietly killed it, and THE STREETS RAN RED WITH BLOOOOOOOD!

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Originally posted by GaryBF:
Sorry, no will do. I think it is a good idea.

Just curious, have you actually read the bill? I'm really interested on why you think this bill offers a solution.

I'm all in for any idea that would actually reduce gun violence and/or keep guns out of the hands of criminal and mentally incompetent individuals. IMO, this bill falls short and harms law abiding citizens. Here's what bothers me:

By NC state and federal law, a person 18 or older can fight and die for this county but cannot purchase a firearm through a ffl. This bill has the effect of preventing law abiding, responsible individuals from purchasing a shotgun. So folks between 18-21 will be in a catch-22, they can legally own a firearm but cannot buy one or have one transferred by an ffl.

If you're my shooting buddy and you want to try out my revolver, I can't lend it to you for a couple weeks without a ffl transfer. When I want it back, we have to go to the ffl and pay another transfer fee.

My buddy has a concealed carry license and can walk into any ffl in NC and bypass the background check (under federal law). With the new bill I can't sell him a gun without going to a ffl (an paying a fee).

There is NOTHING in this bill that would have stopped any of the horrible events we've experienced.

The fact of the matter is that anyone who supports this bill is either a gun-grabbing leftist or simply ignorant. There really is no middle ground on this one.