Road Rage incident caught on tape - What would you have done?
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Florida man...
In the rest of the country we call them children.
"Ninja kick the damn rabbit"
May 19, 2022, 06:36 PM
sunburn
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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
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Florida man...
In the rest of the country we call them children.
70% of Florida’s population is non-native.
Lick the lollipop of mediocrity once and you suck forever.
May 19, 2022, 06:40 PM
bigdeal
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Originally posted by honestlou: With decent lawyer, I think his charges are lowered or dismissed.
This happened in Florida. With that video and the current laws and attitudes in this state, the biker has nothing to worry about.
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May 19, 2022, 06:53 PM
bdylan
Entirely avoidable situation and biker guy is going to want to practice his draw quite a bit if he plans to continue to pursue traffic morons.
May 19, 2022, 08:28 PM
Prefontaine
I wouldn’t have followed. There are people on the road who will cut you off or other shit, to try and get a rise out of you because they are seeking conflict.
The guy with a knife is an absolute bitch. Pulls a knife, swings it intentionally to cut then when a gun is pointed at him retreats like a little bitch and plays the victim. I fucking hate people like this.
What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone
May 19, 2022, 08:51 PM
Rick Lee
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Originally posted by Flash-LB: A few years ago a retired local cop decided he'd been cut off and probably had, but chances are it was accidental.
Anyway, he starts following the vehicle that had cut him off and when it had to stop for a red light, he hopped out of his car, ran up to the vehicle that cut him off with his gun drawn and pointed at the vehicle. This was about a mile and a half from my house.
The driver pulled out his own gun and center punched the retired cop...DRT.
D.A. called it a good shoot, which it was. I would have done the same thing under the same circumstances.
I remember that one. Retired cop had serious anger mgt. issues and several of his neighbors said as much when interviewed by local news later on. IIRC, the good guy shot him several times, hit in the mouth and knee as well as center mass. Just lit the guy up, but was totally justified, boxed in, couldn't leave and was being approached by bad guy with gun in hand.
May 19, 2022, 08:57 PM
ElToro
And another Florida sheriff defends the right person. Guy with knife is the one that called cops saying gun man pulled gun on him. Knife man was the one arrested. Also knife man has a rap sheet of some length so there’s that.
May 19, 2022, 08:59 PM
Ronin1069
1: Everything I’ve learned in 25+ years of CCW classes tell me it is game over for self defense when motorcycle guy started following T-Shirt guy. You have just escalated the situation by engaging in something that was done and over.
2: Motorcycle guy better spend some time practicing his draw. I could of tied my shoes in the time it took him to find and pull his pistol.
Dumbasses like this make ‘us’ look bad.
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May 19, 2022, 11:43 PM
akcopnfbks
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé: I'll disagree with your one point. This entire incident didn't occur because Riviera cut off some guy in traffic. People cut people off all the time in traffic, sometimes intentional and sometimes not. It's difficult to know from one's perspective which is definitively the case most times.
No, this entire incident occurred because someone's ego didn't allow him to simply get on with his life, and instead he had to follow the shitty driver escalating the situation. Following people who piss you off in traffic will never lead to anything good. Never. And being armed and purposefully putting yourself in that situation is doubly stupid.
Nailed it.
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May 20, 2022, 07:07 AM
liner
Let it go, you can’t control what others do to you but you control how you react. He endangered himself and his wife.
May 20, 2022, 08:33 AM
RichardC
Teuller Drill fail.
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May 20, 2022, 10:35 AM
HRK
I'll disagree with the "motorcyclist" escalated group think premise, just because they were going the same direction doesn't prove he was following the truck, could have been going that way to begin with.
It's a T intersection, residential, low MPH area, little direct intersection access. So if you're coming to an intersection and get cut off, the guy that cut you off goes the same direction you were going to go, based on group think you should change direction?
This was 100% escalated by the Truck driver, he is the one that stopped in traffic, he forced the motorcycle to stop, he got out in the road, he pulled a knife, he threatened a mans life.
By all rights he should be 6 feet under, by the grace of god and the motorcyclists calm decisions that man is in jail alive.
That doesn't sound like a motorcyclist hell bent on following and causing conflict, sound like someone who had his wits about him and remained in control.
Anyway, when you see a guy with a knife coming at you, remember the 21 foot rule..
May 20, 2022, 11:23 AM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by HRK: I'll disagree with the "motorcyclist" escalated group think premise, just because they were going the same direction doesn't prove he was following the truck, could have been going that way to begin with.
Where did this "they happen to be going in the same direction" stuff come from? In the report in the video from the OP, the reporter explicitly says that the motorcyclist followed him after being cutoff.
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May 20, 2022, 12:39 PM
sigcrazy7
I once had a guy follow me. Said I cut him off. In reality, I had to make a left from a four-lane, non-divided road with a 35mph limit. He was doing 70 in the left lane, and had to stop behind me so I could make the left turn.
He followed me into the lot, so I began driving in big circles. Eventually he got frustrated and stopped. I stopped about 50 feet away. He got out of his car but didn't approach. I was unarmed (pre CCW days), and probably would've driven off if he had tried to approach. He yelled that he was from southern California, and down there they'll shoot you for cutting people off. I yelled back that this was Utah, and here we'll shoot you right back. This guy looked like a hoodlum, and he showed a little surprise at the idea that other people might be armed. It visibly showed on his face. He got in his car and drove off.
This was in 1994 and I was only 24 years old, before CCW and a defensive mindset. At least I still had the presence of mind to not allow him to approach, and to not stop. It was kinda entertaining to watch him get frustrated while I was driving in circles. He wasn't going to stop me with his tiny civic while I was in a 1974 F250. My big pickup was the best weapon I had, and I wasn't going to get out of it.
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May 20, 2022, 02:05 PM
Flash-LB
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Originally posted by HRK: I'll disagree with the "motorcyclist" escalated group think premise, just because they were going the same direction doesn't prove he was following the truck, could have been going that way to begin with.
How do you tell the difference between "following" someone and "just happen to be going in the same direction?"
Honest question that comes up because the last 2 Thursdays I've had the exact same car behind me for around 35 miles through a number of turns, takes same offramp, does same series of turns as I do and ends up at the very end going 180 degrees away from me.
That sounds just like following but I'm pretty convinced it's just coincidence. Where did this "they happen to be going in the same direction" stuff come from? In the report in the video from the OP, the reporter explicitly says that the motorcyclist followed him after being cutoff.
May 20, 2022, 02:20 PM
HRK
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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
How do you tell the difference between "following" someone and "just happen to be going in the same direction?"
Honest question that comes up because the last 2 Thursdays I've had the exact same car behind me for around 35 miles through a number of turns, takes same offramp, does same series of turns as I do and ends up at the very end going 180 degrees away from me.
That sounds just like following but I'm pretty convinced it's just coincidence.
Exactly, all the theory that the "following" is some nefarious act on behalf of the motorcycle, Who knows if in fact they both might have ultimately been going in the same direction.
If one googles the intersection, link it's T in a residential area, low volume traffic, low speeds, no commercial businesses and a few entrances to subdivisions. The road is a semi circle around several subdivisions and the way out to main roads.
Further, law enforcement stated the motorcyclist was the calm one, who de-escalated the situation, that doesn't follow the logic of someone who followed to escalate it.
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“Traffic disagreements should never result in violence in our streets. In this particular incident, the video captured by the victim’s wife clearly shows that her husband’s life was threatened. I applaud the way the motorcyclist handled this situation,” Flagler County Sheriff Rick Staly said in the news release.
“ After his life was clearly threatened, he lawfully defended himself and then de-escalated the situation . The offender is lucky he was not shot. I also remind the community to not take traffic enforcement in your own hands and control your anger. Call the Sheriff’s Office instead,” Sheriff Staly said.
Yup. Any attempt to tell the person what they did “wrong” and to pay more attention in the future, however diplomatically one may think they are putting is extremely unlikely to have any positive result. Best to shrug, realize, “Crud, I’m not perfect either, I’ll have to try to do better.”, and carry on with one’s day.
May 20, 2022, 03:04 PM
NavyGuy
If the end results you want is to stay alive with out personal injuries, avoid endless legal fees and not severely injure another humane being, no matter how big of an ass-hole he is. The answer is suck it up and don't follow. Go home and drink a half bottle of good whisky, talk to your friends about the deal and merely wake up with a hang-over, which will be gone and forgotten by 2pm the next day. And life goes on without added complications.
May take is no follow, no issues. The letter of the law my see it differently.
Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves.
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May 20, 2022, 03:21 PM
slosig
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Originally posted by HRK: Exactly, all the theory that the "following" is some nefarious act on behalf of the motorcycle, Who knows if in fact they both might have ultimately been going in the same direction.
Hmmm, I thought the NY Post article said followed, but on closer reading it didn’t. I dunno where the following even came from. Regardless, following wouldn’t be nefarious, just stupid.
It is frustrating when someone cuts you off when you’re in a car. I’d imagine it would be frustrating and, depending on how close it is, maybe even scary if one were on a bike. Still better not to engage.
May 20, 2022, 03:41 PM
radioman
It's sounding like a scene from Sons of Anarchy. Only the guy with the knife keeps his teeth.