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I know it may seem odd to some, but the federal government has the responsibility to act within the confines of the Constitution and the founders intent, and focus solely on those things they are specifically mandated to address within the Constitution. 'Anything' government touches they will make significantly worse. So any attempt by government to 'replace' BarryCare will only make the live of the citizens of this country far worse. I haven't been around on this rock as long as some here, but I have been around long enough to recognize the current Republican party (with a few exceptions) is currently to the left of the old southern Democrat party my grandfather belonged to, and the Democrat party is now squarely the American Socialist party. With those two dynamics in place, it makes it really easy to understand why neither party has any real interest in doing anything but propping up and expanding BarryCare. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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A pox on those but I believe there are others who are motivated by compassion. I certainly believe that President Trump is not driven by health industry donors. Someone like Ryan? He strikes me as a special interest sock puppet. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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If you think any of the attention whores in Washington right now care one wit about people in general suffering you're sadly deluded. Republicans right now have a single goal in mind with everything they do. 1 - Do a few little things to try and hold onto the votes of those people who put them in power this past November. 2 - Try not to take anything away from the freeloader class in an effort to try and garner a majority of their votes. That's never worked for Repub's given the Dem's are the free-chit champions. 3 - Stay in office and at the government trough at all costs. Sure they do. They just don't care. They care about getting re-elected, and if the free chit crowd can get them there, then they know what to do. 'Right' and 'wrong' never enter the equation. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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It is easy to say that we should just go back to some earlier point of constitutional understanding. Right now, the Supreme Court, like it or not, said Obamacare was constitutional. So, the federal government is hip deep in health care for right now. I'd like to do away with a lot of commerce clause interpretations and so many other things. But, we live under unliked constitutional interpretations every day. Yes, Barrycare needs to go but in an orderly manner - or so it seems to me. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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You are right on all three and I am deluded, too.  _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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A president and crop of Republicans can still come in and claim the SCOTUS opinion on BarryCare was ill conceived and wrong, and seek to legislate based on 'real' interpretations of the limitations of government. Leaning on that ridiculous SCOTUS decision is simply another excuse for inaction on the part of RINO's and cowards who don't really want to do anything about BarryCare. Again, that SCOTUS decision said the government 'could' meddle in healthcare. That does not mean, simply because it legally can, that government 'should' meddle in our lives to that extent. If we had the right crop of politicians in Washington right now, that simple reality wouldn't seem such a foreign idea. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I appreciate your thoughts. It is not an easy dilemma in so many lives. But, working out some transition seems like it should be easier to protect those who detrimentally relied on the new scheme. The pharmacy issue kind of struck me because my doctor prescribed a drug that my pharmacy with insurance cost me about $895.00 per month all to my deductible, about $750.00 cash or I could get it from England for, as I remember, about $100.00. The pharmacy said I had to pay the higher price because I had insurance. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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Wasn't that what was being put forth by 'some' Repub's. Repeal on paper now, leave BarryCare in place for twelve additional months, and work on some legislative 'fixes' in the interim. I personally like that approach a lot, especially since people like Senator McCain don't. It accomplishes two important things... 1 - It repeals BarryCare, which was what the GOP promised and this president wants. 2 - It puts 'real' pressure on this cowardly garbage in Washington to actually pass something over the next year of value, instead of more BS legislation that help's no one but the politicians. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I know about specialty pharmacy. I get a medication from one. It costs ~$8700 per month. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Holy crap! That's insane. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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You win "Peg The Deductible." I'm truly glad you have that help. I wonder about how many would be left with no insurance because they switched to Obamacare and lost their grandfathered plan. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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That's a version of the Cruz plan to which I referred earlier. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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Yep. A phase out seems necessary to give both consumers and providers time to adjust. And Tubetone is certainly right about one thing: What we had before Obamacare wasn't perfect or even very good. Government created many problems prior to Obamacare but MORE government control to solve the problems created by too much government control and meddling is NOT the solution. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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If repeal is done alone, it will just get back to what was failing before Obamacare. Yes? Then, some legislation by bad ole' government will be needed for a transition. Yes? What if Congress gave tax incentives for cooperatives? Would that be the GDCs at work? Many things could be conceived for a transition period. Granted, incentivizing cooperatives essentially cuts insurance companies out of quite a lot but would that be a constitutional nightmare? _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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Can we agree that what we 'had' prior to BarryCare wasn't near as good as it could have been, but it was and is magnitudes better than the cluster we have now, compliments of the federal government and the Dem party? Correct. Government will need to legislate themselves further out of the insurance market if we are to ever have anything that approaches something that works. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Yes. And that was what was under discussion prior to Obamacare making things much, much worse. The tax code was a big part of the problem.... and that began all the way back during WWII. It won't change overnight, but it can be changed. But... people listen to the siren song... and demand government "Just do something!"  Which results not in more freedom but in an abandonment of the basis of Western civilization: a political and social philosophy centered on natural, or God-given, rights. America’s Long March toward a Secular Socialist Democracy http://www.americanthinker.com...alist_democracy.html "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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"Replace" has never required a big government-run healthcare system. In fact, I thought the promise was to lower costs and increase access. The goal, in my view, was to produce a framework better than what the pre-Obamacare system delivered. I hope Secretary Price is who I think he is as he and Congress work toward market healthcare for all. Cooperatives, for instance, seem affordable for most everyone. I think President Trump wants access to healthcare for everyone. If the truest blue conservative philosophy delivers legislation that produces it, I trust that he'll be in. But, I doubt that he will be in just for the sake of philosophy. He seems like an end result kind of guy. He has not made his desires a mystery. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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I don't know what "healthcare for all" looks like. Do you? How do you attain that? Mandates? Single-payer? How do you force that on "all"?
I agree. But that doesn't get you "healthcare for all". Some people won't participate, for whatever reason, if they have the choice. If you believe in personal responsibility, there are always those who will not be personally responsible. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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If people have affordable access available to them, I see that as a system for all. Whether someone participates or not is another story. I don't think we will ever accept that if someone is in mortal danger, a hospital will turn that person away. I do not like the idea of government forcing anyone to buy health insurance. How produce it? Well, cooperatives, competition, tort reform, concierge services, pharmaceutical reform, incentive reform and what I hope is a host of other ideas by those who have been working on this for many years. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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Insurance was much more affordable when it wasn't mandated that it cover an "essential package" of benefits that many people don't need or want. Obamacare has made insurance much LESS affordable. But that's not the same as "access" because some people choose not to buy health insurance.
OK, but if they are in a car wreck, and they don't have insurance, they don't have "affordable access".
Right, but... When they get taken by ambulance to the closest hospital they will be treated, but it may not be "affordable". You don't get "affordable access" after the fact if you don't have insurance. Fire insurance may be "affordable"... before your house is on fire, but not after the fact. Then, after treatment, when they get a bill for more than they can pay, what are their options?
Is it? If someone chooses not to participate, how do you get "healthcare for all"? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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