I have no problem with the initial stop for the tinted widows. The citation for that was fine. I have a big problem with what happened after that. This guy is obviously just an average decent guy who is just trying to make a living. The cop who stopped him sure seems to me to have been looking for a reason to jam the guy up. When he presented all of the required permits and certifications, the cop could have easily let Mr. Twyne go. He wouldn't have had to "overlook" anything. Seems like he didn't observe some facts that were obviously criminal, but rather observed some facts, and worked damn hard to find something criminal to jam the guy up. Yes I know that "racism" is overused, but who could blame the guy if he didn't think that might have something to do with it.

Having said that, I have had numerous interactions with NJ LEOs in various capacities. No complaints. All have been positive.

I was stopped in NJ in October of 2005 for having a thin blue line sticker and VA tags.

This was shortly after NJ Deputies returning from New Orleans after Katrina were stopped in Virginia for speeding on I-81.

The first question I was asked is if I was law enforcement, when I said no was questioned about the sticker and why it was on my vehicle. Told them it was support of a family member in Missouri who is a cop.

In this case, I think they were looking for some payback for the incident on I-81

One of the young men who worked at the LGS I frequent was accepted into a local towns police force. In our discussions his training partner told him how he looks for reasons to pull people over in order to see if he can get a higher charge on them. IE Jam them up... and he was being trained to do the same, his words...

I'd imagine that happens in any police force where you get officers who are on a power trip looking to see if they can arrest someone for more than just a tail light out...

As to disclosing firearms, FL law doesn't require it, I've done both, the only thing I've noticed is it seems to make some officers tighten up control techniques on me, ID, don't get off the bike, keep your hands on the bars, vs letting me stand by the motorcycle, obtain registration from a compartment etc.

I’m really glad Georgia is a no duty to inform state. If and when you get pulled over you either drive off with a warning or a ticket. End of story.

The two times I’ve had to drive through New Jersey, I felt like eyes were on me the entire time. That’s a bad feeling.

I’m sorry for you guys/gals that can’t get away from that.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
^^^^ So every time a cop walks past you’re supposed to exclaim that you have a gun while putting your hands up?

Sounds like a well thought out law.

That’s a bit in the ridiculous side, wouldn’t you say? You’re required to notify upon interaction initiated for a lawful purpose. Like say, a traffic stop. When I worked in NC, I appreciated it and didn’t treat drivers any differently; except perhaps to shoot the breeze about guns for a minute or two. It’s not a shithole leftist state after all.

Yeah, I got pulled over once, was carrying, informed the trooper.

After I told him, he asked 'Is there going to be a problem?" and I said, "Can't see how" and then we talked pistols. Personally, I think that stuff like 'Concealed Carry Permittee" shows up when they run the plate. Still got the ticket but no adrenaline was generated.

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Originally posted by HRK:
One of the young men who worked at the LGS I frequent was accepted into a local towns police force. In our discussions his training partner told him how he looks for reasons to pull people over in order to see if he can get a higher charge on them. IE Jam them up... and he was being trained to do the same, his words...

I'd imagine that happens in any police force where you get officers who are on a power trip looking to see if they can arrest someone for more than just a tail light out...

As to disclosing firearms, FL law doesn't require it, I've done both, the only thing I've noticed is it seems to make some officers tighten up control techniques on me, ID, don't get off the bike, keep your hands on the bars, vs letting me stand by the motorcycle, obtain registration from a compartment etc.

Allright, F New Jersey. On that we can all agree on.

But any cop worth his salt is going to stop a car when he can, and he's going to pay attention to any issues beyond the initial tinted windows or expired tag.

How do you think burglars, robbers, drug dealers, rapists, etc., get from Point A to Point B? People who have warrants, people who have drugs/stolen guns/etc?

They drive. Just like you and me. That is why we pay attention during a traffic stop. We can't just hold someone willy-nilly on the side of the road and beat them with a phone book and interrogate them (anymore, alas the "good old days"), but we can use our eyes and ears and noses and spidy senses to not ignore some blatantly obvious violation of something much bigger than a burned out turn signal.

So to think that all cops are being shady or dirty when they stop a car and pay attention to any other violations is dumb. It's not about "jamming them up", it's about doing good police work.

Except for New Jersey. F that place. And every now and then you will read about an overzealous cop. They usually get called to the carpet and wear it. From the SCOTUS down, it's quite clear that random fishing expeditions are not allowed. But all of us should expect good police work.

The vast, VAST, majority of people involved in a traffic stop get a warning, verbal or written. Some minuscule percentage actually get arrested.

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From the SCOTUS down, it's quite clear that random fishing expeditions are not allowed.

I disagree. What do you call DWI Checkpoints?

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
From the SCOTUS down, it's quite clear that random fishing expeditions are not allowed.

I disagree. What do you call DWI Checkpoints?

We're not talking about DWI checkpoints.

I hate DWI checkpoints.

That's a whole 'nother conversation.

We're talking about traffic stops that develop into criminal investigations.

The SCOTUS has said, quite clearly and without confusion, that the police can't stop a car and just start asking random questions that aren't related to the stop, if it delays the stop itself, unless they have reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

My state just had it's own supreme court level decision hammering this down.

There are ways to still do police work, but beating people with phone books is out. Officers have to be smart at what they are doing. Just stopping people to try to randomly get an arrest, or to ask for consent to search just for thrills has (rightly) been going out the window. Good officers don't want to waste their time bothering a tax paying citizen who has no criminal indicators. The law won't allow it, and it's a waste of time.

Except in states like New Jersey. Someone will eventually get rich from their crap.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
^^^^ So every time a cop walks past you’re supposed to exclaim that you have a gun while putting your hands up?

Sounds like a well thought out law.

Like most everything else in "New Joisy".

Had to spend some time there a long time back. Business related. Before I started carrying.

Had wife along as neither of us had spent any time there.

After about 3 hours, we decided that we would never voluntarily go there again. I can envision no reason why we/I might have to go north from here, but if we do, I will take the long route. Missing both merryland, Pennsylvania for starters.
new joisy, New York.

You got a nice suit at home or do you like coming to work everyday dressed like you're goin' to invade Poland?

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Not surprising that the NJ Staties wear these uniforms...

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You got a nice suit at home or do you like coming to work everyday dressed like you're goin' to invade Poland?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Not surprising that the NJ Staties wear these uniforms...

If you look in the background, they are in a cemetery.

Getting all dressed up to invade Poland again!

There is an NJ 2A Sanctuary Movement going on though...the green are areas where they have them.


Waaaaaay down there at almost the tip of the bottom is where Trump visited for his rally.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
You got a nice suit at home or do you like coming to work everyday dressed like you're goin' to invade Poland?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Not surprising that the NJ Staties wear these uniforms...

If you look in the background, they are in a cemetery.

That's their every day working uniform with jacket.

Every state has their own thing going, and NJ's is corruption. When you couple that with the level of mob influence they've had and you end up with a state wide attitude of over compensation that's hard to explain. There is also the rivalry with NY, which results in almost every NJ statute being written to be 'tougher' than whatever is on the books in NY.

There are other factors at work here, but I don't want to paint everyone with the same brush.

Police officers or not, I'd be worried shitless to see ANYBODY in a democracy dressed up like that knocking on MY side window...

I've seen friendlier faces in old photos of a Nuremburg parade.

That's their working uniform? I thought it was their Class A for DC in May or local parades. Talk about impractical.

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That’s a bit in the ridiculous side, wouldn’t you say?

I believe it is ridiculous.

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You’re required to notify upon interaction initiated for a lawful purpose. Like say, a traffic stop.

Those are your words, not theirs. They didn't include your version in their explanation. Why not?

And that's the problem that really exists. When somebody wants to jam you up they'll use their version and not necessarily the correct version. But that's OK, several thousand dollars worth of your money on attorney fees later, and maybe you'll get it straitened out.

This story in itself is disturbing, but somewhere there are a couple of LEO's that act like they just captured a dangerous terrorist. In NJ, the Police are 100% convinced that they, and they alone are the only people in the state that can be trusted carrying a gun. Which I find to be the MOST disturbing!
Corruption in NJ is in the Government not the mob, they couldn't compete.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
And that's the problem that really exists. When somebody wants to jam you up they'll use their version and not necessarily the correct version. But that's OK, several thousand dollars worth of your money on attorney fees later, and maybe you'll get it straitened out.

Great point, Frank. In addition, the charges may get dropped, but the arrest, mug shot and fingerprinting are forever.

Don't forget there's also the Attorney General/District Attorney portion, who are even more motivated to enact their own social engineering methods and legal sliding scale of prosecution. They could easily toss this case but, they won't because....New Jersey.

Many cops who rise up the ladder, start to become tied to various prosecutors, particularly those with political ambitions. In many cases, the aggressiveness of the cops is a direct result of how eager the DA is at charging certain crimes/statutes.