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Official Space Nerd |
Anybody who truly believes that the US 'forced' Japan to attack us is a deluded fool. I suppose we are also to blame for 9/11, too. You know, the whole "we need to understand why the world hates us" bit the libs keep dragging out. . .  We embargoed Japan because of their aggression; our embargo did not CAUSE their aggression. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
Not only just to blame, bbbbut we forced them to! I'll say it again: un-fucking-believable. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Oh, I see the problem. You're in the wrong forum. Guaranteed. Wrong forum. If you're lost, call 911. Maybe flag down a policeman. | |||
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| It's not you, it's me.  |
I was actually going to mention that. Here it is for those interested: http://jockopodcast.com/2018/0...horrors-of-unit-731/ Very disturbing stuff. The descriptions of vivisection, baby murders in front of mothers, torture in the name of “science”...it goes on and on. The Japs got off easy in my eyes. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
This is an excellent documentary of the path the Japanese took that ended with the devastation of their country. Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDv8NxGv9YgU Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
PowerSurge, are you all through with posting your stupid fucking confused, ignorant, twisted view of history? | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
And on this date, Major Charles Sweeny, A/C Commander of Bockscar and Captain Kermit K. Beaha, bombardier dropped a plutonium-based implosion fired atomic bomb on Nagasaki, Japan. It was the second plutonium implosion bomb detonated; the first was at the Trinity site outside Alamogordo, NM on July 16, 1945. There was concern that the complexity of the implosion system had many concerned that this type of atomic bomb might not work.  Bockscar  Fat Man Boom! Bockscar dropped the "Fat Man" bomb at 10:58 local time; it exploded 43 seconds later with a blast yield equivalent to 21 kilotons of TNT at an altitude of 1,650 feet (500 m), approximately 1.5 miles (2.4 km) northwest of the planned aiming point, resulting in the destruction of 44% of the city. An estimated 35,000 people were killed and 60,000 injured. Following atomic bombings, Emperor Hirohito ordered the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War to accept the Potsdam Declaration terms for ending the war. After several more days of behind-the-scenes negotiations and a failed coup d'état, Emperor Hirohito gave a recorded radio address announcing the surrender of Japan. Given that the Japanese refused to surrender following to Tokyo fire bombing in March, I wonder if the Emporer's fear was the potential for a 400 plane raid where each plane carried atomic weapons. Japan surrendered before it was utterly destroyed, and in the end, that's all that mattered. A million American's were spared invading the home islands, and six to eight million Japanese were spared dying at their hands. Crew of Bockscar Major Charles W. Sweeney, aircraft commander 1st Lieutenant Charles D. (Don) Albury, pilot 2nd Lieutenant Fred Olivi, co-pilot Captain James Van Pelt, navigator Captain Kermit K. Beahan, bombardier Corporal Abe Spitzer, radio operator Master Sergeant John D. Kuharek, flight engineer Staff Sergeant Ray Gallagher, gunner, assistant flight engineer Staff Sergeant Edward Buckley, radar operator Sergeant Albert Dehart, tail gunner Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
Yes, the nukes saved the Japanese people from themselves. The Japanese would have ultimately suffered the most casualties. They also saved a lot of American and Allied lives. I truly believe I wouldn't have been born if not for the Nuking and subsequent surrender of Japan. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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This current spate of (a)mericans apologizing for America nuking Japan is not a new thing. I was subjected to an anti-nuke film at a youth church camp in the '60's. I remember the end: "He slept like a baby!!" "Paul Warfield Tibbets Jr. never apologized for dropping the atomic bomb that leveled more than two-thirds of the buildings in Hiroshima, Japan, and immediately killed at least 80,000 people. Millions of detractors considered the nuclear attack an example of man's inhumanity to man, an act that left the world teetering on the brink of self-annihilation. To him and millions of supporters, though, dropping the atomic bomb was a justifiable means of shortening World War II, preserving the lives of hundreds of thousands of American servicemen that military experts said might have died in a final Allied invasion of Japan. "I never lost a night's sleep over it," Tibbets had said." | |||
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| Blinded by the Sun  |
 ------------------------------ Smart is not something you are but something you get. Chi Chi, get the yayo | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
I have not read of the failed coup d'état. If anyone has any details about that, I would be grateful to read them. Were there senior Japanese military leaders who wanted to continue the war? | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...5%ABj%C5%8D_incident | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Yes. We didn't embargo Japan out of the blue. It was part of an attempt to constrain them in the Far East, as they had been clearly moving to expand their empire at the expense of other countries, many of which were allies of ours. That they would attack in retaliation or in an effort to keep us uninvolved may have been predictable, but that isn't the same as forcing them to do anything. If you play the game of global power politics by invading China, Korea, and parts of Russia, you can't claim innocence when their allies react. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
Thank you. I still hadn't found what I was looking for. | |||
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And why did FDR take that action? Wasn't out of spite. "President Franklin Roosevelt seizes all Japanese assets in the United States in retaliation for the Japanese occupation of French Indo-China." | |||
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If you ever get a chance to visit the Missouri in Honolulu they have pictures from the day the surrender was signed on that deck. It's a little awe-inspiring to be standing on that deck, they have pictures mounted in that area that show where the table was where that the Japanese delegation signed. The point of the above is to communicate just how pissed off some of them looked to be there and surrendering at all. There was definitely a core group that did not want to surrender and were very much there against their will, signing that document. -------------------------------------------------------------- zman P229 SAS Sig 1911 STX | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
 Number 2 dropped today... | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
So, the US imposed an embargo. Big deal. Other countries produced, refined, and sold petroleum products. Japan needed only to go to those countries and pay their price. But they didn't. Why? Because the militarists in Japan truly believed they were entitled to that oil. And rubber. And a bazillion other commodities. To be sure they wanted to get rich from selling those commodities to their own population and China, but they also believed it was theirs because they viewed themselves as superior to all other Asian people, plus most western ones too. It was the same fundamental greed that led the Nazis to invade Poland (liebenstrausem) Ukraine (wheat), the Caucuses (oil), and Africa (the Suez Canal and the gateway to Arabian oil). Since they didn't own or control those commodities they decided to steal them. Tom Clancy made a comment in one of his Jack Ryan books that war is essentially armed robbery on a grand scale. That is true, and you only need look at WWII and the Iraq I to see perfect examples. So they started by stealing Manchuria and China, then went of to try to establish the Greater Southeastern Co-prosperity Sphere. And make no mistake, the Japanese intended to enslave the people of the countries they conquered, until such time as they could kill them all (like the Nazis). They forgot one thing. Others already controlled those resources. And those others weren't giving them up without a fight. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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I read Bill O'Reillys book The Day the World went Nuclear, and it's a good account of history. Bockscar almost didn't make it back after dropping it's bomb. They had to change targets and with the extra flying time used up a lot of extra fuel, they landed on an Okinawa airfield and after just a short taxi the engines started shutting down. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
On my only visit to the Air Force Museum, I was looking at Bockscar and noticed a group of Japanese tourists with cameras and looking too. I wondered what they might be thinking. My understanding is that they are taught a somewhat different version of the story than we are. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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