A chart has been circulating that was supposedly debunked. With the final votes in, I created my own chart with updated numbers and expanded it to include years that weren't captured in the original. The chart shows the votes cast for the Democratic and Republican candidates from 2000 to the present. The names of the Democratic candidates are listed at the top of each bar, and the trend line represents the Democratic vote share from 2000 to 2024.

The final vote counts are 71 million for Harris and 74 million for Trump. Trump increased his votes from 2020 by only 400,000. As previously noted, Biden received 81 million votes, while Trump received 74 million. The total votes, including those for third-party candidates, were 136 million in 2016, 157 million in 2020, and 147 million in 2024. There were 10 million more votes for Biden in 2020 than for Kamala Harris in 2024. These 10 million votes would have accounted for an additional 14% of Harris's total.

When comparing Democratic votes to the trend line, Obama’s 69 million votes in 2008 were significantly higher than expected, which is understandable given the enthusiasm around electing the first Black president. In 2012, Obama received 66 million votes to win re-election, which was in line with the trend. Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris both fall short of the trend line, while Obama in 2008 and Biden in 2020 exceeded it. The enthusiasm behind Obama's election is well-known, but what fueled the turnout for Biden, who barely campaigned due to the COVID lockdowns? And why was there enough enthusiasm to bring Harris's vote count only close to the trend line, especially considering she would have been the first Black woman president? Both Biden and Harris ran against the same opponent, Trump, who received the same number of votes in both 2020 and 2024.

The bottom chart maps the percentage of registered voters who turned out. Again, the enthusiasm to elect the first Black man as president drove participation rates to 88% in 2008. That dropped to 84% for Obama’s re-election in 2012, and Clinton’s 2016 campaign raised it to 86%. In 2020, despite the ongoing threat of COVID, 93% of registered voters participated. However, only 86% turned out in 2024 for the race between Harris and Trump, matching the participation rate from the 2016 race between Hillary and Trump. Up until Biden, Obama in 2008 drove the highest participation rate since 1972, when Nixon’s re-election campaign against McGovern saw 47 million votes cast to McGovern's 29 million. But Biden—a relatively old, white candidate who ran a minimal campaign during the COVID lockdown—managed to engage and inspire 93% of registered voters.

Isn't it interesting that 10 million voters who supported Biden in 2020 didn’t turn out for Harris in 2024? And isn’t it intriguing that Biden, despite his low-key campaign, drove a higher voter participation rate than even Obama? Perhaps Biden is that much more inspiring than Obama, Hillary, or Harris? You decide.

Speculating that there were manufactured votes in 2020 and assuming we ballpark 85% as the baseline participation rate with having a woman candidate adding 1%, then 7% of the 2020 were manufactured which is 13.6 million total manufactured votes. Some of those manufactured votes had to be for Trump because a batch having 100% votes for Biden would have been easy to flag in any forensic accounting.

Where the country is now in terms of economy, crime, and the border, it's conceivable that just about everybody who voted for Trump would still vote for him then add in the people in every segment where Trump has improved from last time.

Liberal Dem answer: "It's because people are so racist/sexists that they wouldn't vote for Obama/Clinton/Harris. Biden got so many votes because he's a white male (and a great candidate)."

I think the Democrats printed and mailed out like 50 million extra vote by mail ballots during the Covid craziness of 2020 knowing they’d get enough back to help Biden out. There’s people that may have voted multiple times and they were all counted as they were legitimate ballots, just not legitimate votes.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
...a batch having 100% votes for Biden would have been easy to flag in any forensic accounting.

Weren't there precincts in Philly where Obama got a near statistically impossible 100% of the vote? Nothing ever came of that, so why would they worry the next time?

The vote isn’t final yet. California claims to have several million still uncounted votes.

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Originally posted by PASig:
I think the Democrats printed and mailed out like 50 million extra vote by mail ballots during the Covid craziness of 2020 knowing they’d get enough back to help Biden out. There’s people that may have voted multiple times and they were all counted as they were legitimate ballots, just not legitimate votes.

This is part of the 2020 vote anomoly in combination with widespread ballot harvesting with no guarantee that the person who received the ballot by mail was the person who filled it out.

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Originally posted by cas:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
...a batch having 100% votes for Biden would have been easy to flag in any forensic accounting.

Weren't there precincts in Philly where Obama got a near statistically impossible 100% of the vote? Nothing ever came of that, so why would they worry the next time?

Not only that but reports from Philly and other areas of ballots coming in that had ONLY the Presidential race choice selected and nothing down ballot. No one votes like that legitimately.

Either the Democrats managed to cheat in 2020, or Harris was just such a terrible candidate that all the people who did vote for her and Biden decided to stay home in 2024.

I'm sure the True Believes will come up with something to explain it, but the bottom line is once again nobody was really excited for 4 more years of Biden. Lots of people have been unhappy with the Biden administration, but if you as a Democrat never leave your echo chamber you'd think that everything was rock and roll. That's why they're all so shocked by the defeat. They ignored anybody who wasn't onboard, dismissed everyone's concerns with the Biden/Harris administration, as if it was just some fringe kooks. But no, a lot of regular people just were not happy, and the Democrats didn't give them a better option.

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Originally posted by cas:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
...a batch having 100% votes for Biden would have been easy to flag in any forensic accounting.

Weren't there precincts in Philly where Obama got a near statistically impossible 100% of the vote? Nothing ever came of that, so why would they worry the next time?

I remember reading this. (Maybe it was Bush?) The rational was the districts were heavily minority. Has any heard of districts that were all Trump? Didn’t think so.

As of 1pm Saturday, the University of Florida Election Lab says there are 154,757,700 total ballots counted for the 2024 election.

2024 154,657,700
2020 159,738,337
2016 138,747,904
2012 130,231,296
2008 132,609,063
2004 123,535,883
2000 107,390,107

If 5.1 million fewer people voted in 2024 than 2020, would that not account for over half of the 10 million difference you’ve calculated? Is it not then possible 4.9 million people or 3% of voters chose not to vote for president?

If anything, the 2024 numbers make the 2020 numbers more believable.

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Originally posted by Icabod:
The rational was the districts were heavily minority.

Problem humans are human and make mistakes. Even if everyone genuinely WANTED to vote for candidate "A", someone would screw up and accidentally vote for candidate "B". And that didn't happen.

Consider that some who voted in 2024 chose neither. It's a fallacy to believe that 100% chose either (R) or (D) over (L), (G), (I) or "NULL". I know several people who voted who refused to enter a choice for POTUS given the choices.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
As of 1pm Saturday, the University of Florida Election Lab says there are 154,757,700 total ballots counted for the 2024 election.

2024 154,657,700
2020 159,738,337
2016 138,747,904
2012 130,231,296
2008 132,609,063
2004 123,535,883
2000 107,390,107

If 5.1 million fewer people voted in 2024 than 2020, would that not account for over half of the 10 million difference you’ve calculated? Is it not then possible 4.9 million people or 3% of voters chose not to vote for president?

If anything, the 2024 numbers make the 2020 numbers more believable.

If 155 million is the number, that pretty much wipes out any discrepancy in terms of the total vote count. I may update when the final final numbers are in. I like the numbers to speak for themselves. Of course, future elections and their numbers would shed further light. I’m open to none of the numbers being manufactured but the 93% participation rate is an outlier.

The numbers do match the nature of the steal in 2020. Republicans worked hard to either change the rules or adapt to the changes made by Democrats. The truth is that with a functioning media the left wouldn't win another national election... they would be forced to elect moderates from their party. They lucked up with Biden... he was perceived as moderate, but so old as to be an empty vessel.

They mailed millions and millions of ballots out to people and set up drop boxes then sent people door to door to coerce people into voting. There's nothing unexpected I see here. They changed the rules to get lazy, low propensity voters to cast a ballot. They knew who the extra voters were vote for.

Here's a Time Magazine write up on it:

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

Having the ID requirement everywhere is a must in the future.
The COVID era lack of reasonable standards caused that mess so maybe look at 2020 as a positive if it leads to a much better and universal ID standard.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
If 155 million is the number, that pretty much wipes out any discrepancy in terms of the total vote count. I may update when the final final numbers are in. I like the numbers to speak for themselves. Of course, future elections and their numbers would shed further light. I’m open to none of the numbers being manufactured but the 93% participation rate is an outlier.

What’s a “93% participation rate”?

So far, voter turnout for 2024 is at 63.25%. For 2020, it was 65.99%.

University of Florida Election Lab voter turn out:

2024 - 63.35%
2020 - 65.99%
2016 - 60.12%
2012 - 58.57%
2008 - 62.17%
2004 - 60.86%
2000 - 55.28%

Cheat by mail. Ballot harvesting.
Period.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
They mailed millions and millions of ballots out to people and set up drop boxes then sent people door to door to coerce people into voting. There's nothing unexpected I see here. They changed the rules to get lazy, low propensity voters to cast a ballot. They knew who the extra voters were vote for.

Here's a Time Magazine write up on it:

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

This is pretty much it. They just flooded everyone with ballots. Everyone. Then they sent out thousands of dem agents to those people and collected the ballots after helping them fill them out. Ballot harvesting on a massive scale.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
If 155 million is the number, that pretty much wipes out any discrepancy in terms of the total vote count. I may update when the final final numbers are in. I like the numbers to speak for themselves. Of course, future elections and their numbers would shed further light. I’m open to none of the numbers being manufactured but the 93% participation rate is an outlier.

What’s a “93% participation rate”?

So far, voter turnout for 2024 is at 63.25%. For 2020, it was 65.99%.

University of Florida Election Lab voter turn out:

2024 - 63.35%
2020 - 65.99%
2016 - 60.12%
2012 - 58.57%
2008 - 62.17%
2004 - 60.86%
2000 - 55.28%

I took the number of registered voters for the year. I added the total presidential votes cast and divided it by the number of registered voters.

Number of registered voters in the United States from 1996 to 2022

Historical Presidential Elections