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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I have to admit I don't see how all these conclusions are being drawn from these videos. I have watched several a few times and I don't see him discharging his gun or see his gun at all unless the guy in the grey coat turning away from the incident has the guys gun in his hand.

When the ICE agent draws his weapon as quickly as he did that indicates to me that's when the gun became visible. If it was on the ground or in his hand I certainly don't see it. Looks like a hockey scrum in the corner impossible to see who has the puck.

I see the guy get a face full of pepper spray, or some kind of spray, when he puts his hands on the ICE agent who appears to push a woman into the snowbank. Later during the scuffle, I see on object come flying out of the pile and bounce of the pavement to the right. Looks like an FDE colored magazine or flashlight holder with a black magazine black flashlight in it. Looks too small to be a handgun. But yeah, I’m not seeing anything conclusive either.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
I'm in favor of what ICE is doing, but it's become apparent that it's not enough.

We are only getting a handful of illegals out this way. We are going to have to make it impossible for them to live here illegally.

Start with the banks, the "remittances", and all forms of welfare, then driver's licenses, employment, then living space, then all forms of transportation.

We are going to have to make it impossible for these "sanctuary cities" to shelter them.

If they can't do anything here, they will leave.

I agree 100%, penalize anyone employing or renting to them also.

I think it would be more effective if ICE and CBP just would start dropping them off in sanctuary cities, give them a choice deportation or sanctuary city of their choice. Let's see how long these cities will practice what they preach, it's a win win. I bet a lot of voting habits will change if their streets full of people they have to support.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I have to admit I don't see how all these conclusions are being drawn from these videos. I have watched several a few times and I don't see him discharging his gun or see his gun at all unless the guy in the grey coat turning away from the incident has the guys gun in his hand.

When the ICE agent draws his weapon as quickly as he did that indicates to me that's when the gun became visible. If it was on the ground or in his hand I certainly don't see it. Looks like a hockey scrum in the corner impossible to see who has the puck.

I see the guy get a face full of pepper spray, or some kind of spray, when he puts his hands on the ICE agent who appears to push a woman into the snowbank. Later during the scuffle, I see on object come flying out of the pile and bounce of the pavement to the right. Looks like an FDE colored magazine or flashlight holder with a black magazine black flashlight in it. Looks too small to be a handgun. But yeah, I’m not seeing anything conclusive either.

I seen him get the pepper spray to the face. Then it looks like he started wrestling with the woman on the ground. By that time he probably had his vision taken away from the spray and thought maybe he had an ICE agent instead of the woman? Things are pretty chaotic by this point. Here is another video claiming to show him drawing his gun. I still don't see it after watching it a half dozen times.

https://x.com/InsiderWire/stat...his-presser-n2670031



Don't think I'm trying to defend this guy I most certainly am not I just am not seeing what everyone says they see in these videos. These agents are wore to the nub and are on edge. They are exhausted from dealing with these mobs. They are reaching the point of no more fucks to give. The longer it goes on the worse it's going to become. I guess Walz called in the NG but for what reason. To stand by and watch ICE get assaulted by the mob?

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Ghost1RLTW:


According to DHS/ICE he was carrying two magazines with his firearm, which they said means he was looking to massacre law enforcement. What is unclear about that?

I agree his actions were premeditated.

Oh, I agree that he was there to cause trouble, brought the gun “just in case”.
But carrying 2 extra magazines = premeditation?
Quite a reach on that one.

I ALWAYS have a gun on me. I can count the times in the last 30 years when I didn’t on one hand.
I usually have an extra magazine or a speed loader when I used the snub.
That didn’t mean I was out looking for trouble to get into.

The Offender, as in the case with whatever that twats name was, put themselves in that situation.
THEY went there.
Im extremely familiar with the 1st amendment and you can be wherever you want to be, but when you purposely choose to go into a protest, THAT might be considered premeditated.

I assume you know damn well that there is a huge difference between a Trump supporter carrying a firearm and a liberal. A Trump supporter Carrie’s because he is a protector. A liberal Carrie’s for violence against whites. I’m not saying Trump should order ICE to take out guns, I’m saying he should take theirs. Somehow you geniuses missed that. The 2nd amendment (and the first for that matter) do not apply to these people, because they are either not citizens (Somalians immigrants) or because they hate America (libs). In either scenario, all rules go out the window. If the Somalians and Mexican immigrants have Constituional protection then none of this stuff would be legal. But they do not, and as such, it’s open season, baby.

“Take the guns first, then you worry about due process.” -DJT

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In either scenario, all rules go out the window.

No. Fuck no. Do you even hear yourself?

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
THAT might be considered premeditated.

Possessing a set of digital scales doesn’t make someone a drug dealer.

Possessing a set of digital scales while attempting to buy two keys of Columbian marching powder from an undercover cop is.

The details matter.

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Don't think I'm trying to defend this guy I most certainly am not I just am not seeing what everyone says they see in these videos.

I wouldn’t think that. Everyone should be looking at the videos for themselves to verify they actually show what’s being claimed. There’s a post on the previous page where a member mentions the model of gun he sees in one of these videos. Heck, I don’t even see a gun in the videos even in the hand of the ICE agent doing the shooting. I can assume it’s gun from the sound, but I can’t see it in the video.

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Originally posted by Ghost1RLTW:...

Kegger, is that you?

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:

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In either scenario, all rules go out the window.

No. Fuck no. Do you even hear yourself?

"If you don't agree with my side lock, stock, and barrel you're not an American and fuck your rights."

I remember plenty of posts on this forum years ago where guys would talk about their EDCs. Primary pistol, 1 or 2 spare mags, knife, flashlight, and even a backup pistol.

By DHS' modern logic, any of you who carry more than 1 pistol and 1 spare magazine are domestic terrorists looking to murder people.

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:
No. Fuck no. Do you even hear yourself?

I'm 100% convinced at this point that he's a fucking shit stirring moronic troll and people need to stop responding to him.

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Originally posted by Jumper:

"If you don't agree with my side lock, stock, and barrel you're not an American and fuck your rights."

I remember plenty of posts on this forum years ago where guys would talk about their EDCs. Primary pistol, 1 or 2 spare mags, knife, flashlight, and even a backup pistol.

By DHS' modern logic, any of you who carry more than 1 pistol and 1 spare magazine are domestic terrorists looking to murder people.

I'm like a SAW gunner then, with my Glock 34 and three spare 21 rounders. Accuracy through volume, baby.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I have to admit I don't see how all these conclusions are being drawn from these videos. I have watched several a few times and I don't see him discharging his gun or see his gun at all unless the guy in the grey coat turning away from the incident has the guys gun in his hand.

When the ICE agent draws his weapon as quickly as he did that indicates to me that's when the gun became visible. If it was on the ground or in his hand I certainly don't see it. Looks like a hockey scrum in the corner impossible to see who has the puck.

I'm with you. I've watched numerous videos and I have yet to see a gun in his hand at any time. All I've seen, and I have watched a lot of different angles, is him walking around recording, getting pepper sprayed, then a giant scrum, and then gunshots. I have no idea if the dude in gray has the deceased's gun.

Like you all, I can't tell either. My first thought though was that after the first shot there was some delay...assumed that was from his gun and the officer(s) followed up with theirs. I don't know.

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Originally posted by Jester814:

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:
No. Fuck no. Do you even hear yourself?

I'm 100% convinced at this point that he's a fucking shit stirring moronic troll and people need to stop responding to him.

Guaranteed Ghost is pot stirring leftoid …

I haven't watched every video but in the ones I have watched, I'm also not seeing a gun or him reaching for it. I would not be surprised at all if what happened is that in the scrum, the guy's gun either became exposed or dislodged, one of the ICE agents yelled "gun," and it escalated from there.

What must the Somalis et al be thinking as the watch white Americans insurrect, er, protest?

Isn't this the epitome of the hated White Savior Syndrome?

What exactly are we debating here? DHS already said the guy attempted to pull a firearm and kill the officers so there's nothing left to discuss. If you do not believe the very people Trump hand-picked to serve us then I have to question what side you are on.

Carrying a pistol and spare mags while walking your dog is one thing.

Carrying a pistol and spare mags while attending a riot is quite another.

I see it very simply.

The guy had already committed several crimes. Obstruction, impeding a law enforcement activity, failure to comply, resisting, assault, and probably many more.

The officer(s) were in fear of their lives so they stopped the threat.

They were operating under the federal government and federal jurisdiction.

Local police and government did not provide requested support and encouraged this behavior.

All officers involved are 100% justified and will be acquitted criminally.

That is my take and no one will be able to sway me on this one. Even if the guy was unarmed at the time of the shooting. They had no idea there was not a second weapon.