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Originally posted by PR64:
Don't forget guys that there are still good conservative people here.

Bashing California gets old sometimes...

Yeah I suppose it may get old. BUT then Cal. comes up with more stupid crap that makes the rest of the country just wonder.....WHY????

Much of the policy inflicted upon California by liberal politicians in the past century has been insidious in a way that it's citizens could not perceive the highway to hell they are on. Ill conceived laws and regulations hatched in La-La Land may have sounded pretty but long term effects and unintended consequences are often unknown or ignored. Eventually though the realities of life rise up and smite every day citizens to get their attention.

I offer as an example California's long term refusal to conduct meaningful prescribed burning, resulting in large stores of wildland fuel for catastrophic fires. Power outages and high energy costs due to ill conceived "green" technologies. Over-development in areas that should never be developed. Water shortages. Golden Goose killing taxes that drive affluent citizens and businesses out. Sanctuary city policies that overburden public services. Rampant drug abuse, Mollycoddling criminals and illegal immigrants with predictable results. And California's "streets paved with gold" have become a toilet. The list goes on but these policies directly impact John Q in a visible, tangible way that he must at some point say, "WTF are we doing here?"

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
So, here's a reply from someone (NOT in California HQ) that I sent it to. There's a pretty strong spin machine at work.

https://www.businessinsider.co...blowing-facts-2019-4

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The current presiding California socialist leaders are riding the coattails of a huge economy which was developed by previous old school capitalists. The wealth transferred to them in GDP production, agriculture, technology, etc. is still running and producing in spite of the foolish drags they are imposing on it.

"Margaret Thatcher — 'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.'

Her observation is proven correct many times over. California will eventually reach that state if it is not turned around.

It takes a while to run a good horse to death, but it will come sooner or later.

The thing is the insanity just never stops. I’m not convinced that a neutron bomb in Sacramento would even do any good.

Had lunch with a friend yesterday who shared that he had a new garage door opener put in. The fellow told him that he could install it without battery backup, but in thirty days he couldn’t do any repairs to it without first installing battery backup.

Apparently, during the Paradise Fire, some folks could not figure out how to open their garage door manually, so now everyone in the state has to have a battery backup for their garage door opener.

The stupidity is BOUNDLESS in Sacramento, and apparently in the whole state based on the way people vote.

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Originally posted by PR64:
Don't forget guys that there are still good conservative people here.

Bashing California gets old sometimes...

If you remain there and pay taxes, you are feeding the beast. An enabler. You're hosting it.

Does anyone believe "the good people" of California will ever turn the tide of rampant socialism? Before the government there strips everyone of their freedom, wealth, liberty and self-protection?

Really?

If so, I've got some oceanfront property for sale here if you're interested.

To the OP, I wouldn't make waves. Although it sounds fun.

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Originally posted by Jager:

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Originally posted by PR64:
Don't forget guys that there are still good conservative people here.

Bashing California gets old sometimes...

If you remain there and pay taxes, you are feeding the beast. An enabler. You're hosting it.

Does anyone believe "the good people" of California will ever turn the tide of rampant socialism? Before the government there strips everyone of their freedom, wealth, liberty and self-protection?

Really?

If so, I've got some oceanfront property for sale here if you're interested.

To the OP, I wouldn't make waves. Although it sounds fun.

WTF Jager...I'm an enabler

That sounds like Osoma Binladen logic of why all Americans should die.

Let's see you guys leave your FAMILY, FRIENDS, Business etc behind and move.

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Originally posted by PR64:
Let's see you guys leave your FAMILY, FRIENDS, Business etc behind and move.

I fortunately don’t live in California, but that “Just move” sentiment is one of the most clueless and idiotic expressed here about any number of issues.

There are countless reasons why just moving isn’t a feasible option for countless people. If I knew the Yellowstone caldera was in the process of blowing, yes, I would load up whatever would fit with me and my disabled wife in the car and head east. The rest, including friends and family who might decide to stay put, would stay behind, possibly to become entombed for future archaeologists to puzzle over.

As for an unforced move, I have far too much stuff that is essential to the life I want to live in my remaining years to be able to afford to move—not to mention the issues associated with selling an old house and finding a new place to live at the same time.

But, oh: If I do decide to move, who can find me, a 73-yo, a part time job as a law enforcement firearms instructor in a state with perfect policies and laws?*
* (And no, being able to buy a magazine that holds more than 15 rounds isn’t sufficient.)

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Originally posted by slosig:
Had lunch with a friend yesterday who shared that he had a new garage door opener put in. The fellow told him that he could install it without battery backup, but in thirty days he couldn’t do any repairs to it without first installing battery backup.

Garage door openers are a security risk. Some doors have a window which you can break and then reach in and disengage the opener and raise the door.

I worked with a person that had several bad neighbors. He used an Oscilloscope with storage and would store his neighbors door opener signal. He said it was hilarious to see the service personal trying to figure out why the door would be found open at times.

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Let's see you guys leave your FAMILY, FRIENDS, Business etc behind and move.

Lets see you all increasingly be taxed, repressed, endangered, dismissed, denigrated, ignored, mocked and made irrelevant.

Or red-flagged.

Hold on...we already are...

Osama Bin Laden? Really? Okay. Your response sounds like the submissive and subjugated citizens of every nation state that Hitler moved on.

While we're attacking the presenter rather than the posit - and all that.

Oh, and I have. Multiple times. The military does that to you.

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...“Just move” sentiment is one of the most clueless and idiotic expressed here about any number of issues.

Clueless and idiotic would be presuming I meant old, infirm or otherwise dependent people or those with family members as described. It would also be taking a much smaller select group (while ignoring the raw truth in my statement) to attempt to disparage me.

It is a choice. And other than the minority you describe, the majority of people (that I described) can move. But they are simply frogs placed in pot.

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The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually rather than suddenly.

Human history is full of examples of people being oppressed and moving - often continents away - to escape.

Thousands are leaving California already. As are businesses. It can be done as is being done. By those who recognize the unwavering future.

The Tolstoy quote in your signature line is quite poignant here, actually.

We all get to pick the hill we die on.

Some choose to do it while feeding their enemies.

Starve the beast.

Get woke. Go broke. Drive that point home to the oppressors.

Regardless, this is thread drift. I apologize.

But I have to wonder if either of those who opted to take me to task - even read the article posted by the OP.

It essentially describes the conditions I am pointing to. Being taxed for failed/failing polices while quality of life - and freedom - are being torn down.

I'm only asking the next logical question.

Why stay and support such a regime when leaving is an option for the vast majority of people paying those taxes? Especially when you have no voice or representation?

And if they have reasons they think outweigh those for departing - then understand they are feeding the beast that will devour them.

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Originally posted by ridgerat:
If your livelihood depends on it, don't send it. All it takes is one person to complain about it.

^^^this^^^


I have a family member that is or rather was a college professor and is in the process of getting fired after they outed themselves as a trump/2A supporter. Was just asked about the subject and gave their honest opinion in a very tactful way and is now about to lose a career.
Not officially for these reasons but there is an inside source that has confirmed that he was labeled a “gun nut” and is “unstable”

Whatever you do don’t get into politics at work even if you think the person you’re talking to is okay. Never trust a liberal

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I'm toying with the idea of sending this article to some of them.

If, as you also said, your livelihood depends on it, I agree with the others who say not to do it. Then I'd do some thinking about whether you really want to work for/with such people.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
But, oh: If I do decide to move, who can find me, a 73-yo, a part time job as a law enforcement firearms instructor in a state with perfect policies and laws?*
* (And no, being able to buy a magazine that holds more than 15 rounds isn’t sufficient.)

Not going to happen. You are doomed at the perfect policies and laws point. I’ve been looking around casually. Montana, yeah they’ve gotta be conservative as heck, that’ll be great. What? You say it is illegal to carry into a bank? You gotta be kidding me. The post office is bad enough, but can’t avoid that as it is Federal.

It is always about comparing the pros and cons wherever you are against the pros and cons of the best place you can come up with, then considering the challenges and costs of starting a new life somewhere else. It may be worth moving, it may not. It depends on a person’s situation, but there are no perfect policies and laws anywhere, and if there were, they would get screwed up not long another one moved there, if not while one was enroute.

ETA: And then there are family to consider. Were I still single, I’d have been gone a long time ago. The kids are in a great school (high school, last year for son) and I’ll stay long enough for them to finish and head off to college. How much long after that depends on how the battle with the wife goes.

I used to watch California and other liberal controlled areas such as Detroit with great interest. When is the breaking point? When will the people rise up and say enough and start voting differently? Will all the destruction brought upon these once great places I'm still waiting for that breaking point, and wondering if it will ever happen. What I have observed is that some people leave these areas and take their ideology to another place and begin infecting that place as well. Colorado is a wonderful example.

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Originally posted by 41:
Garage door openers are a security risk. Some doors have a window which you can break and then reach in and disengage the opener and raise the door.

I worked with a person that had several bad neighbors. He used an Oscilloscope with storage and would store his neighbors door opener signal. He said it was hilarious to see the service personal trying to figure out why the door would be found open at times.

I guess it depends on what you want to worry about. Both he and I live on ranches and have detached garages (his was the first class A dairy in the county). Neither one of us has any neighbors close enough pull codes.

you can always vote socialism in - thats the easy part

you cannot vote it out, needs to be removed by force

thats just history...will always be that way

if California wants to change, there is going to have to be bloodshed to get it - you can never, ever let socialism gain a foothold

I also have made a number of snarky comments about California.
I know there are people who hate the socialist conditions there and want change.
I know that relocating is not feasible for many who live there now.
California suffers from the same situation that many states now have, including my own. Socialist or liberal voters in the large cities support idiots who bring about these policies and the rest of the state residents can do nothing to change things.

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Originally posted by PR64:
Don't forget guys that there are still good conservative people here.

True, and it's sad those people keep getting stepped on. Restarting the State of Jefferson efforts would help some, depending on location. If only it could be organized onto a reasonable effort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...oposed_Pacific_state)

it seems some have been unhappy with the political situation for a long time.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

if California wants to change, there is going to have to be bloodshed to get it - you can never, ever let socialism gain a foothold

The problem is that the vast majority of people in the Coastal areas have been brain washed that everything IS GREAT and the sooner we get the rest of the country to believe it, the better off everyone will be.

Not to worry - Gavin to the rescue!


California Governor Threatens State Takeover of PG&E


https://www.wsj.com/articles/c...-of-pg-e-11572641749

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Originally posted by chellim1:
If they vote for Calexit... I wouldn't be opposed. It would relieve us of the burden.

Calexit would completely destroy the state economy for the reasons that the left wingers say will wreck the British economy because of Brexit. Of course, that doesn't matter when they want to leave.

I say let them. We can use the water of the Colorado river as negotiating leverage to get the most favorable deal possible when they leave.