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Originally posted by Warhorse:
I worry that with all the Jew hating neighbors surrounding Israel, this will become a major war.

That was Hamas's stated goal, but as typical it will not work out the way they thought.

I was in Harvard Square for lunch today, you could feel the whining as the future elitists shuffled along, a lot of them looked dejected and depressed, the sign truck drove around Mt Auburn and Brattle Streets a bit, some of the students wearing Free Palestine and other non-sense shirts ambled about. Amazing was the LGBTQ students with pro Palestinian and Hamas stuff, useful idiots.

It never ceases to amaze me how the left and this younger generation firmly believe that they can say whatever they want without consequence, but any opposing voice must be exposed, doxxed, and destroyed forever.

I wonder how many of them cheered when someone supporting a conservative message was fired, suspended, or expelled. Now they are shocked that it's happened to them?

This kids don't no what fear is. They are afraid of words, thoughts, ideas. Terrified of an opposing viewpoint. Not a single one of them has likely been in a situation where fear could truly be defined. How dare they voice their 'fear' when the people they are accusing were being killed in their own homes.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

I wonder how many of them cheered when someone supporting a conservative message was fired, suspended, or expelled....

Because these kids are indoctrinated with an irrational hatred. They believe people with a different viewpoint are subpar human beings and need to be silenced.

....Wait a minute.... now I see basis for their emotional bond with radical muslims.

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Gaza, Hamas, Egypt and Context with the Sinai Border that Western Media Do Not Discuss

https://theconservativetreehou...edia-do-not-discuss/

I was reviewing a Wall Street Journal article about the Sinai border between Egypt and Gaza and various Western opinion about Egypt’s unwillingness to allow Palestinian refugees to cross the heavily controlled border.

For those who do not know the deep background, the Western media context looks troublesome {GO DEEP}. However, I rise in defense of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, because we have tracked and discussed the issues for a long time. Egypt is in a very difficult position right now, and with Obama/Biden in the White House – the challenge is made even worse. First the WSJ framing of the issue:

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TEL AVIV— A diplomatic effort to evacuate U.S. citizens from Gaza faltered after Egyptian officials said they would only allow foreigners to cross the border if aid could pass in the opposite direction.

Egypt’s refusal on Saturday, confirmed by three officials and in an announcement on state television, thwarted the latest U.S. push to evacuate any of the 500 or more Americans in Gaza wishing to leave through the enclave’s southern border with Egypt.

Israel—which has sealed off Gaza’s northern border with a ground invasion by Israeli forces believed imminent—said Saturday that it would give a few hours of safe passage for people in northern Gaza to move southward. A doctor in Gaza said corpses were piling up in the main hospital’s morgue and under rubble from Israeli airstrikes launched in response to Hamas militants’ lightning strike into Israel last Saturday.

[…] Egypt is apprehensive about the prospect of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees being displaced into Egypt, or of getting drawn deeper into the conflict. Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi, an ardent enemy of Hamas, has also warned that a mass displacement from the enclave could mean an end to the aspirations of a Palestinian state.


Egypt told the U.S. that it has too many evacuation requests to accommodate U.S. nationals and that it can’t grant passage to one country over others, according to two Egyptian officials, who also cited security concerns related to a lack of screening of individuals. On the Palestinian side, damage from an Israeli missile has hindered access to the Rafah crossing.

Yet, Sisi earlier this week ordered tents to be pitched in the Egyptian towns of Sheikh Zuweid and Rafah, in preparation for potentially having to accept refugees from Gaza. He also ordered the creation of a 8.5-mile wide, 500-meter deep buffer zone in Rafah.

Israel’s military said Gazans could safely travel along two major routes south for six hours before 4 p.m. local time, as its forces prepare for an expected ground invasion aimed at routing Hamas. (read more)

Western media never discuss the extreme lengths al-Sisi had to go through in 2014 through 2017 to clear out the radical Islamists from Egypt. After Sisi kicked out the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, ISIS, enablers), he became the mortal enemy of tribal terrorism. The various terrorist elements put a fatwah on the head of Sisi and commanded all members of the Islamic Jihad to target Egypt.

It was President al-Sisi who destroyed all the Hamas tunnels from the Sinai into Gaza, and there were hundreds of them. It took years and was painfully difficult for the Egyptian military to remove the extremist elements, culminating in a heavily fortified border between Gaza and Egypt. For Sisi now to look at the potential of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian sympathizers to Hamas setting up camp in his country, he must have very serious concerns.

The Sinai region is a tenuous challenge already for Sisi, and that was highlighted by the horrific terrorist attack that took place in 2017 in retaliation against Egypt for the border security measures.

Against the backdrop of the first border opening between Egypt’s northern Sinai and Gaza, and against the ongoing efforts by the al-Sisi led coalition to move toward peace between Arabs and Israelis, the extremists strike back in 2017 with a horrific terrorist attack against the Al Rawdah mosque in Bir al-Abed, west of El Arish, the main city in North Sinai. 235 people were killed and hundreds more wounded {link}

It took President al-Sisi years to secure Egypt from the extremist elements and protect the Egyptian people. The fact that Sisi is a singular and respected figure, who came from the Egyptian army to stop the Islamic jihad and the implementation of Sharia Law represented by the Muslim Brotherhood, has always been a problem. With Sisi there is peace and strength; but like Donald Trump President Sisi is one man.

By an overwhelming majority, the nation of Egypt wants Sisi to remain as President, because quite frankly he is irreplaceable. The delicate balance of peace in Egypt rests on his shoulders. Think about it. On his Western border he has Libya in a state of crisis with extreme jihadist elements. On his Eastern border he has Hamas, and now everyone expects Sisi to import a faction of an entire population quite comfortable with Islamic extremism. This is not a good position to be in.

Egypt doesn’t want the refugees, not because Egypt is heartless to their plight, but factually because inside that population of refugees is a radical element that could reignite the Sinai region all over again…. And, if the worst does happen, no one will be there to help President al-Sisi except an already pressured Egyptian military.

Jordan is full of refugees already, and King Abdullah manages his own tinderbox. Syria is a hot mess of factional/tribal extremism, and if Egypt is not careful the Syrian model, or even the Libyan situation could easily be the fate for Egypt.

Hamas hates al-Sisi for disrupting their ability to smuggle weapons across the border. Topping this off, the Obama/Biden administration undermines Egypt at every opportunity. It has always been visible just below the surface that the U.S. supports the Muslim Brotherhood and Qatar; the Obama/Biden alignment against Egypt is just one part of this dynamic.

From the State Dept/CIA perspective, they would enjoy the Palestinian/Hamas sentiment triggering renewed jihadist chaos in Egypt. Again, President Sisi is in a tough place.

I’m not sure how this is going to end, but I find myself very sympathetic to the dynamic that President Sisi is facing. What right do Western leaders have to demand Egypt open their borders to known terrorists?

Deeper dive into some documents confiscated from dead terrorists. This was well organized.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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But now, some Harvard students fear that the backlash from the business community will have a chilling effect on student speech.

Maybe that's not a bad thing to make someone think twice about condoning genocide. If you publicly support terrorism maybe you won't be an organizational fit for our company.

Simply answering part 1 of their first job interview.
Actions have consequences.

The difference is night and day. No genocidal psychopaths, wild-eyed and foaming at the mouth like rabid animals, calling for an entire nation to be wiped out forever. No hidden identities. Human beings who just want to live in peace.

All the difference in the world

https://twitter.com/ArchRose90.../1713569691845713944

Here's a war video you guys can have. This is called "justice"

https://twitter.com/sentdefend.../1713559468913340546

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
The other two options, live with status quo or kill them all are not really appealing. It would take a giant leap of faith on both sides and huge amounts of international aid and cooperation. It would be extremely unlikely of happening, at the minimum though it's a discussion worth having.

I agree that deep seated hatred would still exist, but I think it would be greatly blunted if you could raise your family in peace and more prosperity. I think there are people who want to live in peace and people who want to kill the Jews, but there are many in the middle that can be swayed towards or away from jihad with the right incentive structures.

The option for peace and development and living as neighbors has been present for decades. Billions of dollars in foreign aid go to Gaza. Yet there’s no peace no development no living as neighbors, just tunnels and missiles and guns and now terrorists floating down from the sky to murder anybody they encounter. Gaza has decided all of Gaza’s children are expendable as martyrs for propaganda to garner sympathy from the leftists in the West. There must be some in Gaza who want peace but can’t say anything because Hamas doesn’t do dissent. Hamas will attack any peace effort. Their sponsors in Iran won’t allow for peace. A decades long process where the guns are put down and the rhetoric ends and there are no attacks might build some trust. Good luck with that. Hamas has continually shown who they are. The world should listen.

Guess he found out. Found it it sucks to be on the receiving end of what you are doling out.

Sounded like it hurt. Hope it was a gut shot.

Can anyone here translate what that POS said after he was shot?

The Sick Alliance between the Left and Muslim Extremists
By Charles Lipson

The virulent anti-Israel protests across America and Europe throw a glaring light on the bizarre alliance between left-wing activists and militant Muslims. That odd combination has been the bedrock of political activism at universities and in the streets for years. It began in universities, where it now dominates political discourse, threatens Jewish students, and intimidates anyone brave enough to voice their dissent. We can now see how it has spread far beyond the campus.

What makes the alliance so strange are the deep-seated differences between leftists and Muslim fundamentalists over core beliefs.

The left supports women’s rights and full equality in the workplace and public sphere. Militant Muslims oppose them.

The left supports gay rights and gay marriage. Militant Muslims toss gays off buildings. None would dare hold a public march in Pakistan, Iran, or Saudi Arabia.

The left supports abortion rights. Militant Muslims oppose them.

The left supports religious freedom, including the right to reject religion altogether. Militant Muslims believe heretics should be executed.

The left rallies against book banning. Militant Muslims embrace it for any book they believe insults Islam or supports Israel.

The left opposes the death penalty. Militant Muslims endorse it and praise their governments for using it.

These beliefs are not marginal for either group. They are foundational, and they are profoundly opposed to each other. Still, the two groups have formed a long-standing alliance. How do they deal with these profound differences? And why are they allied?

They deal with differences very simply: They never mention them when they act jointly, primarily against Israel and its supporters across the world. They have joined together to form a more powerful coalition against shared enemies. They would destroy that partnership by raising issues where they differ.

Far better to focus on their agreement, which goes beyond hating Israel to claim Western capitalism has oppressed, degraded, and ruined the world. Since the U.S. is now the world’s greatest power, it is tagged as the main source of that malignancy, at home and abroad. As they see it, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Latin America are poor because they have been oppressed by capitalist nations and their corporations. If they have terrible governments, they have them only because the West has installed and sustained them.

This critique is based on a shared, but muddled, ideology. The heart of that ideology is its illiberalism. Both groups are fundamentally opposed to the forbearance of individual differences, including very different views and goals, that are essential to Western constitutional democracies. In their place, these opponents rely on a toxic brew of ideas drawn from:

Karl Marx, of course
Franz Fanon (“The Wretched of the Earth”)
Edward Said (“Orientalism”)
Herbert Marcuse (and the Frankfurt School of “cultural Marxism”)
And, for the most extreme Muslims, revolutionary theologians like Sayyid Qutb, the intellectual father of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood and its subsidiary in Gaza, Hamas



The mixture of these ideas makes a confused jumble. But “incoherent” doesn’t mean “useless.” It serves as a kind of makeshift glue that binds disparate groups in opposition to what they see as the West’s oppressive bourgeois culture, its tolerance for divergent views, and the unequal outcomes produced by market competition (softened by transfer payments). Overturn it all, they say, in the name of “social justice.” They have no idea of what to replace it with. In fact, the coalition would break apart if either side emphasized its proposed alternatives.

This negative, often nihilistic, ideology inverts the old adage, “might makes right.” Their implicit claim is that “weakness and poverty make right.” It doesn’t. What’s right or wrong has nothing to do with who has wealth and power and who does not.

These self-proclaimed champions of the poor add one more sloppy argument to the mix. They claim people are poor and weak only because they have been oppressed and exploited.

One implication is that people in poor countries would be far better off if they had never been touched by the West and its institutions. They would thrive under their own social and political systems (and, in the West, some version of socialism). That, at least, is the unspoken claim underlying the coalition of the left and militant Islam. Some progressives (who aren’t poor) make common cause by self-flagellation. They are “repentant oppressors.” Their remorse has all the religious fervor of medieval monks who wore hairshirts and beat themselves with whips for their sins.

The idea that the West is responsible for the world’s poverty has a core of truthful criticism next to a mountain of lies. One doesn’t have to apologize for colonialism to note that almost everyone on planet Earth lived in grinding poverty until the cumulative effects of industrialization began to take hold after 1800. That process began in northwestern Europe and gradually spread across the world, lifting income, health, diet, and life expectancy. Where it failed was in countries racked by civil unrest or governed by rapacious regimes that didn’t provide public order or secure property rights and stole the revenues needed to provide essential public goods.

https://www.realclearpolitics....tremists_149901.html

This is what he was carrying

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Originally posted by chellim1:
The Sick Alliance between the Left and Muslim Extremists
By Charles Lipson

There is a strange bedfellows alliance because the Left and Muslim extremists are both evil and there is one source of evil. While opinions vary on why the source for evil destroys righteous behavior and causes, there is little doubt that is what evil people do.

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Originally posted by Warhorse:
I worry that with all the Jew hating neighbors surrounding Israel, this will become a major war.

Yea it's looking like that.

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Originally posted by sdy:
This is what he was carrying

One of my takeaways from recent clips is that "humanitarian aid" seems to make for well-fed, healthy terrorists, new-looking terrorist equipment, and sick-looking, malnourished "regular people."

Only if they finally forgot how they got their asses handed to them every time & lost territory the last two major attacks they tried.

I don't think they were consulted beforehand and I believe they do not have the appetite for another de-assing at this time.

However, IF Israel looks like they are in trouble, the arabs will throw in for sure. Very much like antifa, 20v1 or better odds is what they love.