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Anyone else think we should be done "talking" with N. Korea?

No.

I don't want us to be responsible for millions dead in Seoul. Until Rocket Man actually kills anyone best bet is to starve his people into a coup.

*If* we did anything it would have to include killing him and all his generals in a single mission almost instantly and destroying major parts of artillery and other weapons. It would be very unlikely we could kill enough of his regime and take out enough of his assets in one shot to prevent the North from raining fire upon Seoul and our troops.

I would like to see us shoot down the next missile that he fires.

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It's easy for us to say we're done talking when it's the millions of people in Seoul who will have to pay the price for action

Their new President wants to make nice with the idiot in North korea and push the US to the back seat. We should re-evaluate our role there is they are simply going to cater to the little tyrant. Although I doubt the residents of that country would be happy if we left.

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Originally posted by Nickelsig229:
I see it as Trump teasing the 'rocket man' trying to get him to flinch first. I think Trump should increase the rhetoric like a kid on the playground teasing another until he punches the bully out of frustration. It's the old, "punch me first, I dare you" routine.


Then we can lay down the law.

This..Trump trying to trip Lil Kim up and provoke a first fateful move by NK.

Other post about EMP satellites, didn't know about that. Also we have no battlefield size tactical nukes??

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
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It's easy for us to say we're done talking when it's the millions of people in Seoul who will have to pay the price for action

Their new President wants to make nice with the idiot in North korea and push the US to the back seat. We should re-evaluate our role there is they are simply going to cater to the little tyrant. Although I doubt the residents of that country would be happy if we left.

That's been changing since Li'l Kim's been on his latest toot. At first the SK President didn't want us deploying THAAD missiles at all. Now he's willing to take some. We'll see where the conversation winds up in the end.

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Originally posted by brecaidra:
"North Korea: Why the West freaks out but South Korea doesn’t"

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/...-alarmed-south-korea

Interesting read. Thanks, Bre

Rocket man grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. His father, and grandfather, were at least introduced to the realities of war. Rocket man may just be crazy enough, stupid enough, brainwashed enough to think that he is the next Stalin, or Hitler. The folks he is surrounded with make the Iraqi minister of information look like a saint. He likely doesn't know how powerful NATO is, how powerful USA is, how technologically advanced Japan, South Korea, and the USA are compared to his country. Rocket man could be a real problem.

When the rest of the world wants nothing more than to get away from large scale world wars, Korean style wars, Vietnam style wars, a new Korean conflict just might be what this guy wants.

Or maybe he read the Art of the Deal, and is just trying to gain concessions, and negotiate better deals for himself.

China isn't likely to do much of anything.

Thry are all Communists, fellow travelers. They are on the same side.

This Trump guy is a temporary PITA. By then, the Communists, ahh, I mean Democrats, here will regain the upper hand, more flexible, not so bellicose, easier to deal with. How old is Rocket Man? 30'ish?

No need to do anything rash and the Chinese are of the same mind. This rich big mouth can fuss and fume. Meanwhile keep those engineers cranking.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
Rocket man grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. His father, and grandfather, were at least introduced to the realities of war. Rocket man may just be crazy enough, stupid enough, brainwashed enough to think that he is the next Stalin, or Hitler. The folks he is surrounded with make the Iraqi minister of information look like a saint. He likely doesn't know how powerful NATO is, how powerful USA is, how technologically advanced Japan, South Korea, and the USA are compared to his country. Rocket man could be a real problem.

When the rest of the world wants nothing more than to get away from large scale world wars, Korean style wars, Vietnam style wars, a new Korean conflict just might be what this guy wants.

Or maybe he read the Art of the Deal, and is just trying to gain concessions, and negotiate better deals for himself.

He did go to boarding school in Switzerland, but that can also be a cocoon. He might actually believe he is a god, as the NORKs are told.

Yes, the prospect of an all-out nuclear war is horrific. There are no words. Millions of dead on both sides of the border. But he needs to think that we will not be paralyzed by that prospect-- which he maybe regards as our weakness.

We are dealing with a monster that is getting more and more powerful by the month. We laughed when their missiles barely cleared the launch pad. But the last one flew well beyond Japan.

He needs to be assassinated. If China comes to see this, it might well happen. Otherwise it looks to me like a nuclear conflagration is inevitable. I read those who deny it and it sounds to me like they are whistling Dixie. If it is going to happen, it's better sooner than later. The key part of that sentence for me is "if it's going to happen." Once you accept that, you can't be stopped by the magnitude of the slaughter forthcoming because it's going to be coming no matter what.

Somebody shoot the bastard!

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Originally posted by arfmel:
The South Koreans should install barbecue pits on their side of the DMZ and smoke briskets whenever the wind is out of the south. In six weeks the people of North Korea would overthrow their cruel leader because of their shitty groceries, and peace would reign supreme.

I like your plan! Maybe even a little venison.

We need to encourage the transport of bibles into North Korea. Send them any way we can. By balloon, if necessary. North Korea has a growing Christian population. Despite the incredibly cruel persecution of Christians in NK, the population continues to grow. I understand underground churches are widespread.

Sure, we can end the NK regime with a devastating war. But nothing destroys the moral rot in a country like NK like the influx of real, sacrificial Christianity. If Kim Jong Un weren't terrified of the Word of God, he wouldn't hunt down and try and kill those that live it.

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Rocket man may just be crazy enough, stupid enough, brainwashed enough to think that he is the next Stalin, or Hitler.

He may be desperate enough, too. He's knocked off several prominent North Koreans, his army's starving and the Chinese are less than amused. Somebody in Pyongyang is bound to be waiting to step into his shoes the moment he's demonstrated himself to be a failed leader.

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Originally posted by 41:

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Originally posted by arfmel:
The South Koreans should install barbecue pits on their side of the DMZ and smoke briskets whenever the wind is out of the south. In six weeks the people of North Korea would overthrow their cruel leader because of their shitty groceries, and peace would reign supreme.

I like your plan! Maybe even a little venison.

Do they get Kobe beef in S.Korea? ::evil grin::

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Originally posted by jbcummings:
Do they get Kobe beef in S.Korea? ::evil grin::
I like your plan! Maybe even a little venison.

If they got a wif of barbecued rat in North Korea, the mouths would start watering.

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Originally posted by Pat@Nexus:
Frankly, the more we "talk" the more it seems just like more propaganda from our side.

I am not a war monger but I think NK will likely only respond to force.

Thoughts??

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Sometimes, even though it is the hardest thing to do, nothing is the best thing to do.

That aside, the next best thing to do would probably be to surgically remove little Kim from the planet. If one were going to do that, one would probably be going about it very quietly. Ideally, it would probably end up looking like an accident or an internal adjustment. Nothing to see here folks...

I think we have been taking the wrong approach for multiple administrations and should consider a return to Theodore Roosevelt's speak-softly-and-carry-a-big-stick.

How about we say nothing for a while?

Kim shoot fires artillery, we say nothing.

He shoots rockets into the sea, we say nothing.

He actually strikes US territory? Boom. Unambiguous military response.

Every time we react to him, he gets more empowered to step it up the provocations. What's the point of ratcheting up the rhetoric if it has no real world effect?

Regarding the OP's question, who is "we"?

This is South Korea's problem. They will suffer the casualties. Their country could double in size. Can they prosecute a war? Can they deal with the economics of doubling the size of their land mass? This is like West Germany taking over East Germany.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
He needs to be assassinated.

Somebody shoot the bastard!

I do so wish we had the capability as is demonstrated here:




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/DTx_qTwQqjU

If he shoots a missile at us, can we not shoot it down?

100 missiles, sure we can't get all of them. But one, two, five?

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Originally posted by LDD:
I think we have been taking the wrong approach for multiple administrations and should consider a return to Theodore Roosevelt's speak-softly-and-carry-a-big-stick.

How about we say nothing for a while?

Kim shoot fires artillery, we say nothing.

He shoots rockets into the sea, we say nothing.

He actually strikes US territory? Boom. Unambiguous military response.

Every time we react to him, he gets more empowered to step it up the provocations. What's the point of ratcheting up the rhetoric if it has no real world effect?

^^^^^This.