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December 02, 2024, 11:06 AM

Rey HRH

I heard someone on TV today say that Joe may not have realized what he had just done by pardoning Hunter Biden. Now, that Hunter is pardoned and can't be prosecuted for any crimes he may or may not have committed, he has no standing to plead the fifth to any questions.

Fox News just contrasted Biden's pardon for his son with a 75 year old woman sent to prison for demonstrating outside an abortion clinic.

"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.

December 02, 2024, 11:16 AM

wcb6092

^^^^^^^^^^^

And I bet James Biden gets a pardon also.

December 02, 2024, 11:20 AM

chellim1

quote:
Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I heard someone on TV today say that Joe may not have realized what he had just done by pardoning Hunter Biden. Now, that Hunter is pardoned and can't be prosecuted for any crimes he may or may not have committed, he has no standing to plead the fifth to any questions.

Yeah, but that assumes the new DOJ has the stomach to actually go after ol' Dementia Joe.
I doubt that they will... but I hope they do.

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor

December 02, 2024, 11:58 AM

preten2b

I have a question for those in the know. Has any previous presidential pardon covered the nearly 11 years for any and all unspecified and uncharged crimes? Is this still OK under Article II, sec II?

December 02, 2024, 12:03 PM

Sig2340

quote:
Originally posted by preten2b:
I have a question for those in the know. Has any previous presidential pardon covered the nearly 11 years for any and all unspecified and uncharged crimes? Is this still OK under Article II, sec II?

Yes, see the pardon for Nixon. He hadn't been convicted of any crime and was pardoned anyway.

December 02, 2024, 12:20 PM

ArtieS

In fact, the language of the Biden Pardon follows the language of Ford's pardon of Nixon.

What Biden should have said:

quote:
Ladies and Gentlemen:

I am an old man. My political career is at an end. I lost my first wife, and my daughter to a terrible accident. I lost my eldest son to cancer. I am not in the best health.

My sole surviving son is now facing many years in prison for crimes to which he has plead guilty.

I may not live long enough to see him free again. I can not live with that. The pain of contemplating it is too great.

I am today granting him a full and absolute pardon for any and all acts against the United States from the day he joined the Burisma board until today.

I know that I stated I would not do this. I understand that may of you are angry and feel betrayed. I accept your condemnation for my actions today.

I do this, selfishly, as an old man, as I exit public life, unwilling to lose the companionship of my only surviving son at the end of my life.

God bless you.

Had he released a statement like the above, I could have some sympathy for him, and he would have lessened the damage to himself, and our system of justice. Instead, he doubled down on lies and misdirection to cast himself and his son as the victims here. What Joe really did was protect himself from the fallout of Hunter's crimes. What utter rubbish.

I hope Trump hauls any exposed part of Biden's family that he can get ahold of through the crusher. I hope he persecutes those DOJ and FBI fucks who have ruined those organizations, and I hope he cuts the Jan 6 folks free en masse.

Fuck the Dems.

"I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation."

Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II.

December 02, 2024, 12:24 PM

Flashlightboy

quote:
Originally posted by preten2b:
I have a question for those in the know. Has any previous presidential pardon covered the nearly 11 years for any and all unspecified and uncharged crimes? Is this still OK under Article II, sec II?

Yes, the president's plenary power allows this type of blanket pardon. I'm not aware of it being used like this is the past however the constitution doesn't prohibit the use.

December 02, 2024, 12:27 PM

parabellum

quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
As any father would do. If this shocks or outrages anyone, you're a silly person.

"As any father would do"??

You need to get your head out of your ass. We're talking about the President of the United States abusing power. How can you not see this? Instead, you yammer on about daddy doing for his little boy.

This is abhorrent, and I guess you'd better mark me down as a "silly person" because you're Goddamned right that I'm outraged, as all decent Americans should be.

Just because this was expected, doesn't make it right, not in any way.

I've cautioned you before and I'm cautioning you once again to avoid painting with such a broad brush. Y'know, it almost seems to me that your comment is an attempt to shame people into not speaking up, that this makes them angry. Instead of trying to shame people here, you ought to be standing with them.

December 02, 2024, 12:47 PM

Lt CHEG

The full depth of the pardon is troubling, now that I’ve read it. I still don’t have a big problem with the pardon for the tax offense and the 4473. However, given Papa Joe’s own involvement in the influence peddling the true depth of this pardon is more than a bit over the top. To be honest, I expect Papa Joe to issue a full pardon for himself in the closing days of his presidency. He might just want to insulate himself while he still has some moments of lucidity.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

December 02, 2024, 12:54 PM

parabellum

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Biden Discussed Pardoning Hunter In June, Told Aides He Would Lie to the Public About Pardon Plans

December 02, 2024, 01:07 PM

SIG228

quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
As any father would do. If this shocks or outrages anyone, you're a silly person.
"As any father would do"??

You need to get your head out of your ass. We're talking about the President of the United States abusing power. How can you not see this? Instead, you yammer on about daddy doing for his little boy.

This is abhorrent, and I guess you'd better mark me down as a "silly person" because you're Goddamned right that I'm outraged, as all decent Americans should be.

Just because this was expected, doesn't make it right, not in any way.

I've cautioned you before and I'm cautioning you once again to avoid painting with such a broad brush. Y'know, it almost seems to me that your comment is an attempt to shame people into not speaking up, that this makes them angry. Instead of trying to shame people here, you ought to be standing with them.

That dude thinks his opinion is the only opinion.