Joe Biden on the campaign trail: "If you like your health care plan, ..." // biden is out !

August 02, 2024, 01:02 PM

911Boss

quote:
Originally posted by Ripley:
It was an ~~official function~~ pavlovian response. He saw a plane. He saw stairs. It's what you do when you're POTUS. Still, he almost didn't make it on the way up.

Fixed it for you…

August 02, 2024, 01:31 PM

6guns

That was awkward!

August 02, 2024, 02:47 PM

2BobTanner

quote:
Originally posted by 229DAK:
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Civil office/bureaucrat
Expand and define. Do you include a GS-5 secretary? Senior Executive Service? Presidential appointees? Other categories? Federal, state, local? Inside the Beltway?

ALL versions of being in a NON-elected position, regardless of GS-, SEO-, military-rank/rating, etc; to include cumulative ALL time drawing a Govt paycheck to include local and State.

We do not need a PERMANENT BUREAUCRATIC OLIGARCHICAL CLASS of citizens. Go back to the ORIGINAL CONSTITUTIONAL concept of citizenship—limited time of service to country and then retire back to the metaphorical “plow” of PRIVATE enterprise. The Cincinnatus concept of civic virtue.

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DJT-45/47 MAGA !!!!!

“Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.”

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." — Mark Twain

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August 02, 2024, 05:19 PM

Sigfan Roy

I despise Brandon, but it looks like, based on the reaction of the photographers, that he went up to the cockpit to glad hand with the pilots.

IF so, that was actually a nice gesture and most of us would have lauded President Trump for doing something like that.

It is possible anyway. Plenty of other reasons to question his mental acuity.

August 02, 2024, 07:53 PM

wcb6092

Election Day is November 5, 2024

Hunter will be sentenced on November 13, 2024

https://www.washingtonexaminer...encing-set-november/

August 02, 2024, 08:09 PM

Z06

August 03, 2024, 05:10 AM

gearhounds

And now we get to hopefully watch the Biden clan implode. Hunter is an unpredictable little toad; knowing his pardon hangs in the balance of either the election or daddy-dear giving him one before he departs which the old fraud claimed he wouldn’t do could trigger any kind of aberrant behavior. The Biden’s are finished in the world of beltway-insider high life. Their useful idiocy is coming to an end.

August 03, 2024, 06:25 AM

mike56

No one here REALLY believes that Biden won't pardon Hunter, regardless of the election outcome??

August 03, 2024, 09:22 AM

Fly-Sig

quote:
Originally posted by mike56:
No one here REALLY believes that Biden won't pardon Hunter, regardless of the election outcome??

A pardon will open up others to potential prosecution.

Hunter can be compelled to testify against anyone for any crime because he cannot claim a 5th Amendment right if he has been pardoned. Many in the Biden clan have apparently been involved in numerous crimes, from bribery to money laundering to tax evasion. Jill, Joe, his brothers, and who knows who else could all face federal prosecution, and Hunter could be forced to testify.

Joe could commute Hunter's gun and tax sentences instead. Then Hunter could refuse to testify against others. However, then Hunter could also be prosecuted for any additional crimes such as bribery, money laundering, etc.

Joe's 3rd option is to pardon everyone within the family. Joe would be the only one unprotected, but we know he won't be prosecuted.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

August 03, 2024, 09:53 AM

Balzé Halzé

quote:
Originally posted by Fly-Sig:

A pardon will open up others to potential prosecution.

Hunter can be compelled to testify against anyone for any crime because he cannot claim a 5th Amendment right if he has been pardoned. Many in the Biden clan have apparently been involved in numerous crimes, from bribery to money laundering to tax evasion. Jill, Joe, his brothers, and who knows who else could all face federal prosecution, and Hunter could be forced to testify.

Joe could commute Hunter's gun and tax sentences instead. Then Hunter could refuse to testify against others. However, then Hunter could also be prosecuted for any additional crimes such as bribery, money laundering, etc.

Joe's 3rd option is to pardon everyone within the family. Joe would be the only one unprotected, but we know he won't be prosecuted.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

How exactly do they compel him to testify against others? A pardon is not the same as receiving immunity.

Forced to testify how?

August 03, 2024, 10:05 AM

Rick Lee

I'm pretty sure a pardon is as close to diplomatic immunity as it gets. At least as far as past acts are concerned. So, since Hunter could not be prosecuted for past acts, he can't claim a right against self-incrimination for past acts. We all know he won't be able to keep his nose clean in the future, but granting a pardon for all past acts that could be considered federal crimes, well.

August 03, 2024, 10:54 AM

2BobTanner

quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
Election Day is November 5, 2024

August 03, 2024, 10:40 PM

Pipe Smoker

quote:
Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
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A pardon will open up others to potential prosecution.

Hunter can be compelled to testify against anyone for any crime because he cannot claim a 5th Amendment right if he has been pardoned.
<snip>

An interesting observation Fly-Sig.

August 03, 2024, 10:45 PM

Pipe Smoker

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Forced to testify how?

Testify or go to jail fo contempt. Jail for perjury too.

August 04, 2024, 11:22 AM

V-Tail

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Forced to testify how?

Waterboarding? High voltage applied to testicles? Simultaneous use of both? Nothing's too good for Hunter!

August 04, 2024, 11:29 AM

Loaded Round

quote:
Originally posted by V-Tail:
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Forced to testify how?
Waterboarding? High voltage applied to testicles? Simultaneous use of both? Nothing's too good for Hunter!

"High voltage applied to testicles?"

I'm pretty sure Hunter has been willing to pay for that in the past

August 04, 2024, 11:48 AM

Balzé Halzé

quote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Forced to testify how?

Testify or go to jail fo contempt. Jail for perjury too.

I think we all know none of that will happen if (when) Hunter is pardoned.

August 04, 2024, 12:29 PM

Fly-Sig

quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

I think we all know none of that will happen if (when) Hunter is pardoned.

IF the right people are investigating and prosecuting crimes, it will happen. You're saying the Biden crime family is immune from prosecution, and I refuse to believe that.

I don't think the Bidens will have any power behind the scenes to obstruct justice. It appears the Biden family network was operating for their personal enrichment within a closed family network, not involving other powerful government officials.

The Clintons, Obamas, and the multitudes of deep state bureaucrats have many intermingled tentacles and thus the motivation to keep crimes hidden. Bringing down one person will implicate many others in extended networks. As long as the embedded loyalists are in place in DoJ and the leftist media, those people are safe.

Not so the Bidens.