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Hunter betrays the Big Guy to avoid decades in prison.
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Now that the gift is off the table, make the next offer 10 YEARS IN PRISON, the minimum sentence on the gun charge, plus felony sentences for tax fraud and FARA and ITAR violations.

I'd rather NOT see a plea bargain at all.
Take it to trial. Sunlight is the only cure.

I’ve come to the opinion that it is no longer about admissible evidence, burden of proof, and reasonable doubt – all the catch words we hear about court cases. You are right that it’s not about justice or even legal or moral right and wrong. The whole system of law has been perverted.

Behind the words, it’s about winning at any and all costs. There is complete desperation not to lose. So, we have to look at what they are afraid of losing?

If the Bidens are criminals, then that had to be known by every part of government for years, even decades. So, they are all guilty, every single one of them that has excused and worked to cover the Bidens’ criminal malfeasance. They know the election was rigged so it could be stolen from Donald Trump. It drives them to distraction that he keeps on bringing it up over and over.

They know they are guilty, but they really don’t care because as long as they keep on winning, they will continue having power, elite jobs, enormous coffers of money to plunder. They are desperate to protect the corrupt system in place that have put them in place. As long as they keep winning, we keep losing.



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Hunter had his own motorcade this morning. Surely a man this important is above the law.



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Now that the gift is off the table, make the next offer 10 YEARS IN PRISON, the minimum sentence on the gun charge, plus felony sentences for tax fraud and FARA and ITAR violations.

That would result in one of two outcomes:

1. Pedo Joe pardons his crackhead son, or

2. Hunter betrays the Big Guy to avoid decades in prison.

I'm really curious why it isn't 2 felony gun charges. We know he lied on his 4473.
1) Lied on 4473
2) Prohibited person with a firearm.
 
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Hunter had his own motorcade this morning. Surely a man this important is above the law.


Isn't he a USSS protected person just like the Bush and Obama daughters were?

Or do they not get that as adults??


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Hunter Biden Plea Deal Back In Play As Defense Agrees To Limited Protection

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...orney-scrub-evidence

Update (1240ET): It appears that Hunter Biden's plea deal is back on the table, after the defense agreed to a limited agreement which covers 2014 to 2019 and only includes conduct related to tax offenses, drug use and gun possession.


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This all comes down to Hunter's team believing that a plea on the tax charges was full immunity for all future tax charges relating to ongoing investigations.

Hunter expected "broad immunity" for future criminal tax issues and that's now shut down. He has nothing except to go forward however I'm sure that the prosecutors and defense counsel will talk and work out a different deal.
 
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Hunter Biden Pleads Not Guilty As DOJ Deal Placed On Hold

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Update (1332ET): In yet another wild turn of events, today's court session ended with Hunter Biden's plea deal placed on hold, and Hunter pleading not guilty for the time being.

US District Judge Maryellen Noreika said she was not ready to accept the plea deal, and has asked both sides to file additional briefs explaining the legal structure of the revised deal.

She also called the deal federal prosecutors reached with Hunter over his gun possession offense "unusual," and that it contains some "non-standard terms," such as "broad immunity" from other potential charges.

"We don't usually make diversion agreements public," she said.


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She also called the deal federal prosecutors reached with Hunter over his gun possession offense "unusual," and that it contains some "non-standard terms," such as "broad immunity" from other potential charges.

"We don't usually make diversion agreements public," she said.
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I wonder if Hunter and his attorney are hitting the bong as they are being driven away.


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So is she concerned that there's a diversion agreement or that it's public.

If you like to follow this stuff, shipwreckedcrew on twitter is an ex fed prosecutor who seems to be on the right side of things.





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I like Judge Noreika! I’d bet that Biden et al. were pissed when they learned that she’d be presiding judge at Hunter’s trial.

“On December 20, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated Noreika to serve as a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Delaware, to the seat vacated by Judge Gregory M. Sleet, who assumed senior status on May 1, 2017.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryellen_Noreika



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I like Judge Noreika! I’d bet that Biden et al. were pissed when they learned that she’d be presiding judge at Hunter’s trial.

Yes. I think she realizes that there is much more at stake here than just Hunter himself.
It's the justice system itself. A two-tiered justice system? Or the rule of law, meaning equality before the law?



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Now we know why DOJ didn’t show us the plea agreement terms. What didn't they want us to know ahead of time?

A) a global immunity deal for Hunter;
B) A binding plea (that is, the judge must accept the specific terms if she accepts the agreement);
C) Misdemeanor probation;
D) Other unusual plea terms.

1. A global immunity deal for Hunter while the overall investigation is “ongoing”, is stunning—a super-sweetheart deal.

2. A binding plea is extremely unusual in the vast majority of federal jurisdictions. It means for example, that if the agreement calls for probation the judge must give Hunter probation. It is binding.

3. That the prosecution and defense would disagree about the terms of the agreement in open court is a joke. Ambiguous terms in a plea agreements are construed against the government! There should be no room for disagreement on the key terms of the agreement. So, this was either astounding incompetence or corruption on DOJ’s part. I think it is corruption. This looks like a wink and a nod deal (as @shipwreckedcrew has noted) where DOJ would have plausible deniability if the judge asked no questions and accepted the deal. The scope of immunity is the most important feature of a plea deal. It is inconceivable that the prosecutors were incompetent here. Leo Wise has an excellent reputation for competence.

4. Think about this. DOJ was about to sanction a plea deal where Hunter would get misdemeanor probation on serious tax charges plus pretrial diversion (no time served or criminal record) on the felony gun charge. Hunter would also get complete immunity on all other charges. And he would not have to cooperate with the government’s ongoing investigation. Totally disgraceful. Merrick Garland and David Weiss should be ashamed. And where is Lisa Monaco? Why hasn't she been called to testify?
 
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It's the immunity thing that I find the most appalling. It was an under the table term the prosecutors and defendant agreed upon but didn't talk about it when the guilty plea was first announced. Now we know why.

Immunity means you are giving up something in exchange for the immunity aka information but this agreement had no such requirement.

This is a bad day for Joe because because it shines a bright light on the public's notion that there is a two tiered justice system. It gives it validity and it's easy to see why.

Now Joe will face daily questions, and Garland too, about this thing that's not a perception but was admitted to in court by the DOJ.

Bad day for Joe.
 
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BREAKING NEWS: Hunter Biden pleads guilty to all charges and is sentenced to promise to never ever get caught doing it again.




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