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Originally posted by Krazeehorse: It probably doesn't matter much if dogs and dead people vote in Cali. Same results. But Ohio Michigan Florida.......
Well in PA here, Gov Wolf has asked the PA Supreme Court to allow ballots received the Friday after Election Day to be valid. Because the USPS is so slow, you know.
The best part this request is that the MAIL IN ballots needn't have a valid postmark, and MAIL IN ballots can also be handed in at County Election offices.
Because of the Dems push for mail in voting, this election is going to be the biggest joke in history. They're going keep finding & counting ballots weeks after Election Day, until they get the results they want.
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"It's hard to imagine a more stupid or dangerous way of making decisions, than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell
August 21, 2020, 08:14 AM
chellim1
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Well in PA here, Gov Wolf has asked the PA Supreme Court to allow ballots received the Friday after Election Day to be valid. Because the USPS is so slow, you know.
The best part this request is that the MAIL IN ballots needn't have a valid postmark, and MAIL IN ballots can also be handed in at County Election offices.
Because of the Dems push for mail in voting, this election is going to be the biggest joke in history. They're going keep finding & counting ballots weeks after Election Day, until they get the results they want.
That's clearly the plan. And Trump needs the PA electoral votes.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
August 21, 2020, 08:50 AM
oddball
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Originally posted by Ironbutt: They're going keep finding & counting ballots weeks after Election Day, until they get the results they want.
And given Trump's track record, I'm sure he will have an answer for this. He knows the problems in 2016 in FL and AZ and he'll prepare for it.
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
I'm all-but "terrified" of mass mail-in voter fraud, and have exactly 0% confidence in it on a large scale, for a Presidential election, particularly of such importance, and I see no way out if it goes that way.
I think we can win this again, mail-in aside and via normal voting, but dudes...
Vote security is already pretty lax in this country, sadly, and this just opens a hole in the Fraud Levee big enough for the Titanic to float through.
I'd rather shutter the economy for a week straight to make sure we had time for nothing but in-person voting with as many controls as are allowed by law.
August 21, 2020, 09:44 AM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by 46and2: I'm all-but "terrified" of mass mail-in voter fraud, and have exactly 0% confidence in it ...
As well you should be and should not. Consider...
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Canvassers demand answers after 72% of Detroit's absentee ballot counts were off Craig Mauger - The Detroit News Published 4:15 p.m. ET Aug. 20, 2020 | Updated 10:23 p.m. Aug. 20, 2020
Recorded ballot counts in 72% of Detroit's absentee voting precincts didn't match the number of ballots cast, spurring officials in Michigan's largest county to ask the state to investigate ahead of a pivotal presidential election.
Without an explanation from Detroit election workers for the mismatches, the Wayne County Board of Canvassers requested this week for Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's office to examine the "training and processes" used in Detroit's Aug. 4 primary, which one official described as a "perfect storm" of challenges. The board is charged with certifying election results.
Voting really isn't all that hard, unless you have people trying to screw it up.
Btw: If there's somebody here who can stomach the dominant "news" media: Please let us know what kind of coverage this gets, if any.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
August 21, 2020, 09:50 AM
gpbst3
August 21, 2020, 09:53 AM
chellim1
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Originally posted by 46and2: Vote security is already pretty lax in this country, sadly, and this just opens a hole in the Fraud Levee big enough for the Titanic to float through.
I'd rather shutter the economy for a week straight to make sure we had time for nothing but in-person voting with as many controls as are allowed by law.
Yes.... except it doesn't take a week to do it right. We should have an 'Election Day'. There's no reason people can't vote in person and on Election Day. Absentee voting should be rare, it should require a legitimate reason why you can't be there in person, and it should require a notarized signature.
Also, we should require photo ID at the polls. You should have to prove that you are who you say you are when you show up to vote. It's not that hard, and it would eliminate most opportunities for voter fraud.
We can't have an election that isn't over on a date certain.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
August 21, 2020, 10:02 AM
darthfuster
This is voting day and these are voting hours. Unless you are deployed, you are expected to find your precinct and vote. If you are not competent enough to do THAT, you shouldn't be voting.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
August 21, 2020, 10:15 AM
architect
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Originally posted by Scoutmaster: So the question is, would such politically active people use their position to tamper with mail based voting?
What, exactly, is the question here?
August 21, 2020, 10:15 AM
Ackks
Yeah, I think we will all agree, but the Democrats aren't playing by those rules, and I'm not sure how they are stopped.
August 21, 2020, 10:52 AM
bdylan
Democrats have been in open rebellion for some time. The problem is that the mainstream media is actively campaigning for these people, and there is nothing to keep them even remotely honest and playing by the rules. I fully expect the election to be stolen.
August 21, 2020, 10:56 AM
KPSquared
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Originally posted by darthfuster: This is voting day and these are voting hours. Unless you are deployed, you are expected to find your precinct and vote. If you are not competent enough to do THAT, you shouldn't be voting.
I deployed for Hurricane Sandy days before the election (Obama second term)and could not vote! A month later I was in Washington D.C. working with the Presidential Inauguration Committee. LOL
Thanks, KPSquared
August 21, 2020, 11:06 AM
Scoutmaster
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Originally posted by bdylan: Democrats have been in open rebellion for some time. The problem is that the mainstream media is actively campaigning for these people, and there is nothing to keep them even remotely honest and playing by the rules. I fully expect the election to be stolen.
For me that would be bad news and good news. If Biden wins, I will have to be admitted to the psych ward. But, Biden would cover the costs.
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
August 21, 2020, 11:11 AM
Boss1
Had some of the speeches on TV last night for a few minutes, but muted (can't stand to listen to BS falling out of their pie holes). To me, he looked about as personable as a weathered 2x4. This is someone who's been in politics for five decades and proclaims wants to be the leader of the free world.
It was a bit surprising that Fox was rather complimentary of his ability to read a teleprompter for more than 5 minutes. Something along the lines of 'If I were a Republican strategist, I'd be worried.'
Seriously?? A guy who's been hiding out (resting) at his residence (not out working 20 hr. days on the campaign trail) manages to get through a scripted speech and all of the sudden they forget everything else up to this point??
He got through a speech! He got through a speech!! Everyone should be worried! Sheesh.
At least there was a few commentators who pushed back called it what it was...
Boss
A real life Sisyphus... "It's not the critic who counts..." TR Exodus 23.2: Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong... Despite some people's claims to the contrary, 5 lbs. is actually different than 12 lbs. It's never simple/easy.
August 21, 2020, 11:20 AM
tleo205
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Originally posted by Scoutmaster: So the question is, would such politically active people use their position to tamper with mail based voting?
Does anyone honestly think that will not happen? The voter fraud is going to be enormous this election. i just hope all Trump supporters get out and vote so we can overcome the blatant cheating
August 21, 2020, 11:22 AM
feersum dreadnaught
ABC spell can't well
and Joe doesn't brain well (his words from last night):
there has “never been anything we’ve been able to accomplish when we’ve done it together.”
NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught"
August 21, 2020, 02:48 PM
erj_pilot
Good response from Don Jr. Good stuff here...
"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
August 21, 2020, 03:20 PM
Scoutmaster
I understand Biden spoke of four historic crises in the US. The worst pandemic in 100 years, the worst economy since the Great Depression, the most compelling need for racial justice since the 60’s, and the undeniable reality of climate change (ie, Green New Deal, Climate Justice). I guess he will solve all of those problems through government control/mandate.
History has shown that totalitarian governments always improve the quality of life for society. (Well, at least for those in government, which is the goal. "For the People" is merely a ploy, a con to gain power).
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
August 21, 2020, 03:34 PM
chellim1
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Biden spoke of four historic crises in the US. The worst pandemic in 100 years, the worst economy since the Great Depression, the most compelling need for racial justice since the 60’s, and the undeniable reality of climate change (ie, Green New Deal, Climate Justice). I guess he will solve all of those problems through government control/mandate.
That's because all of those things are just reasons/excuses for more government control/mandates.
1. The worst pandemic in 100 years, The last pandemic, 100 years ago, was overcome without government mandates. A form of 'social distancing' was encouraged, but nothing was shut down by government. The pandemic raged from 1917 to 1919 but was quickly followed by the 'roaring 20's.
2. the worst economy since the Great Depression, This was, of course, caused by shutting down the economy by government.
3. the most compelling need for racial justice since the 60’s. In the 60’s the call for racial justice was a call for equal treatment. Now, the call for racial justice is a call for special treatment.
4. and the undeniable reality of climate change (ie, Green New Deal, Climate Justice). Well, I don't deny that the climate changes. It always has. I just don't think man has a whole lot to do with it.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
A guy who's been hiding out (resting) at his residence (not out working 20 hr. days on the campaign trail) manages to get through a scripted speech and all of the sudden they forget everything else up to this point?? 