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We got asked if we are a “minority vendor”
January 24, 2023, 12:20 PM
AglifterWe got asked if we are a “minority vendor”
And I’m playing dumb, asking them what they mean.
(For the record, I do not sell people from ethnic minorities, or of any other extraction.)
January 24, 2023, 12:23 PM
HRKTell them you are smaller than Baskin Robbins, so....
January 24, 2023, 12:24 PM
architectBetter drop vanilla, butter pecan, and all other non-ice-creams-of-color from the menu!
And let's not even talk about moose tracks, "separate but equal," hah!
January 24, 2023, 12:33 PM
AglifterI kinda want to see if I can set them up for a law suit - and I kinda want to have my buddies who set up a “procurement company” owned by service disabled minority vets, fill the contract.
January 24, 2023, 12:34 PM
BurtonRWThese days, give me a good reason you shouldn't self-identify as a triple minority (I'd go for Latinx Trans-female) and dare them to suggest you're not.
Go get that contract!
-Rob
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A=A January 24, 2023, 12:36 PM
parabellumDo you mind if I ask just who is asking you such a thing?
January 24, 2023, 12:46 PM
ensigmaticAre there many vendors of the product or service you sell? No? You're a minority vendor. Or, if there are many, are you a smaller vendor with a smaller market share than many or most others? Yes? Minority vendor.
QED
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abnmacvIf you're a Republican in many states you are a minority.
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January 24, 2023, 12:49 PM
BigSwedeIf your wife is part owner the answer is yes
Gov't bid?
January 24, 2023, 01:16 PM
LeemurPlace I worked in the late 90s was owned by a couple. In order to get a leg up on contracts, they set it up with the wife as “51% owner.” Worked like a charm cause they could say it was woman owned.
January 24, 2023, 01:20 PM
Perceptionquote:
Originally posted by Aglifter:
I kinda want to see if I can set them up for a law suit - and I kinda want to have my buddies who set up a “procurement company” owned by service disabled minority vets, fill the contract.
Careful. The laws are stupid and discriminatory, but Uncle Sam can and will drop the hammer on you for attempting go go around.
Background.They go after this frequently because it's low hanging fruit and the fines and settlements are huge.
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"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford, "it is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them. They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards."
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, then the wrong lizard might get in." January 24, 2023, 01:56 PM
HRKquote:
Originally posted by BigSwede:
If your wife is part owner the answer is yes
Gov't bid?
Thought about doing this might be the way to go...
January 24, 2023, 02:07 PM
Flash-LBquote:
Originally posted by HRK:
quote:
Originally posted by BigSwede:
If your wife is part owner the answer is yes
Gov't bid?
Thought about doing this might be the way to go...
A casual friend of mine, arguably the best Audio Engineer in the West Coast, set up his company with his wife as the "owner." Got all sorts of government contracts.
And when I bid on government jobs, they always asked if I was a minority and I checked the "no" box but they also asked if my company was Veteran owned and I checked "yes." That got me a bunch of jobs.
January 24, 2023, 02:11 PM
Sig2340quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Do you mind if I ask just who is asking you such a thing?
All fed.gov procurements have requirements for participation by:
- Woman owned
- Minority owned
- Disabled
- Service disabled
- HUBzone
- Ability One (in their new name I can’t recall)
and other businesses.
In addition there are set-aside, often no-bid contracts for those groups.
Nice is overrated
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January 24, 2023, 02:22 PM
rduckworYou're working for a living. These days, that makes you a minority.
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January 24, 2023, 02:27 PM
parabellumI'd be a failure as a business owner because if someone asked me a question like this, I'd be inclined to tell them to go fuck themslves.
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January 24, 2023, 02:28 PM
Fly-Sigquote:
Originally posted by Leemur:
Place I worked in the late 90s was owned by a couple. In order to get a leg up on contracts, they set it up with the wife as “51% owner.” Worked like a charm cause they could say it was woman owned.
A local entrepreneur where I used to live decades ago did a seminar on starting a small business. He and his wife are black. So his wife is 51% owner and they get to check 2 boxes. They went after all kinds of government contracts and easily won many of them.
January 24, 2023, 03:30 PM
SIGnifiedquote:
Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
quote:
Originally posted by Leemur:
Place I worked in the late 90s was owned by a couple. In order to get a leg up on contracts, they set it up with the wife as “51% owner.” Worked like a charm cause they could say it was woman owned.
A local entrepreneur where I used to live decades ago did a seminar on starting a small business. He and his wife are black. So his wife is 51% owner and they get to check 2 boxes. They went after all kinds of government contracts and easily won many of them.
How do you think DOD contracting works?
High ranking retired officers married to nonwhite women, create 8A contracts all the time and then hire people like me to fulfill them.
They just skim quite a bit off the top representing race and gender preferences to the Taxpayer… while a horse-lord Viking type does all the work.
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ridgeratquote:
Originally posted by Aglifter:
And I’m playing dumb...)
If you play too dumb, you'll sound like the majority!
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HRKquote:
Originally posted by Aglifter:
I kinda want to see if I can set them up for a law suit - and I kinda want to have my buddies who set up a “procurement company” owned by service disabled minority vets, fill the contract.
Don't see why you couldn't get the contract and subcontract it to fulfill your obligations, as long as the contract allows it, and revenue exceeds the cost so it's profitable for both.
As to the lawsuit, why, time and money waste, either you want the contract or not, if not, walk and do something else, or, subcontract it.