Will Cox sign it? I'd give it 50/50 at best.

Today, the Utah Senate passed HB 60, clearing the last major hurdle. The bill will now be transmitted back to the House for a concurrence vote before heading to Governor Cox's desk.

House Bill 60, sponsored by Representative Walt Brooks (R-75), allows a law-abiding adult to carry a concealed firearm in the State of Utah, without first needing to obtain government permission. This ensures that citizens have their right to self-defense without government red tape or delays. Additionally, this legislation maintains the existing Concealed Firearm Permit (CFP) system, so citizens who still wish to obtain a permit may do so.

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Will he sign it is a good question. Back when he was 'candidate Cox', he indicated that he would sign a Constitutional Carry bill, but politicians and promises...
I'll choose to be optimistic.
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Yeah I don't trust cox. This will be a good test for the rest of his term.

Sounds like and hoping that there is no change to issuing non-resident permits.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Sounds like and hoping that there is no change to issuing non-resident permits.

Yes. For those of us who rely on our Utah permit to carry in the States that don't honor our Commonwealth (of Virginia) permit, Constitutional Carry in Utah isn't necessarily a boon.

If the UT Gov signs the bill, then is there any value in a UT concealed carry permit? (Maybe in other states that require a permit and will honor a UT permit?)

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
If the UT Gov signs the bill, then is there any value in a UT concealed carry permit? (Maybe in other states that require a permit and will honor a UT permit?)

Of course. Reciprocity is the first thing to come to mind, but also other vitally important things as well. Carrying legally on school grounds for instance (the University and all other public schools) and in National Parks to name a few just off the top of my head.

And then there's the no background check fee when purchasing firearms.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
If the UT Gov signs the bill, then is there any value in a UT concealed carry permit? (Maybe in other states that require a permit and will honor a UT permit?)

I'm not sure Utah is as big of a deal as it once was. For Connecticut residents, the Utah permit gets you these additional states:

Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, Nevada, North Dakota, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. That's nine states.

We can get a New Hampshire permit through the mail with no additional training requirement and get Georgia, Louisiana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. So that leaves Delaware, Washington and Nevada,

We can then get Florida through the mail to cover Delaware and Nevada, PLUS we get New Mexico. So the Utah permit ends up allowing us to carry in one additional state - Washington.

Of course, folks in different states will have different situations.

The Utah non-resident permit is a big deal here. Oregon has reciprocity with nobody. A small handful of states will honor an Oregon permit, but Oregon honors no other states' permit so very few will honor ours. Utah is a godsend. If this becomes law in Utah I hope they don't stop issuing non-resident permits, but I suspect they will.

We'll see. When Herbert had this on his desk he slimed out saying the status quo was sufficient. I've hated him ever since. Cox is Herbert's guy just like Romney is Hatch's guy.

I think he'll sign it, hope I'm not wrong. The permit is still a good thing, though, like was said above.

Will non Utah residents be able to carry in Utah under this new law?

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Originally posted by gjgalligan:
Will non Utah residents be able to carry in Utah under this new law?

I should think so.

Furthermore, reading the bill, it looks like everything else in regards to the CCW permit, including non-resident permits, remains the same.

General Description:
21 This bill modifies provisions related to carrying a concealed firearm and suicide 22 prevention. 23 Highlighted Provisions: 24 This bill: 25 ▸ provides that an individual who is 21 years old or older, and may lawfully possess a 26 firearm, may carry a concealed firearm in a public area without a permit; 27 ▸ provides for the transfer of unused funds in the Concealed Weapons Account to the 28 Division of Substance Abuse and Mental Health for suicide prevention efforts; and 29 ▸ creates the Suicide Prevention and Education Fund within the division for suicide 30 prevention efforts.


31 Money Appropriated in this Bill:
32 None
33 Other Special Clauses:
34 None
35 Utah Code Sections Affected:
36 AMENDS:
37 53-5-707, as last amended by Laws of Utah 2019, Chapter 440
38 76-10-504, as last amended by Laws of Utah 2015, Chapter 406
39 76-10-505, as last amended by Laws of Utah 2009, Chapter 362
40 76-10-523, as last amended by Laws of Utah 2019, Chapters 39, 375, and 458
41 ENACTS:
42 62A-15-1104, Utah Code Annotated 1953
43

44 Be it enacted by the Legislature of the state of Utah:
45 Section 1. Section 53-5-707 is amended to read:
46 53-5-707. Concealed firearm permit -- Fees -- Concealed Weapons Account.
47 (1) (a) An applicant for a concealed firearm permit shall pay a fee of $25 at the time of
48 filing an application.
49 (b) A nonresident applicant shall pay an additional $10 for the additional cost of
50 processing a nonresident application.
51 (c) The bureau shall waive the initial fee for an applicant who is a law enforcement
52 officer under Section 53-13-103.
53 (d) Concealed firearm permit renewal fees for active duty service members and the
54 spouse of an active duty service member shall be waived.
55 (2) The renewal fee for the permit is $20. A nonresident shall pay an additional $5 for
56 the additional cost of processing a nonresidential renewal.
57 (3) The replacement fee for the permit is $10.
58 (4) (a) The late fee for the renewal permit is $7.50.
59 (b) As used in this section, "late fee" means the fee charged by the bureau for a renewal
60 submitted on a permit that has been expired for more than 30 days but less than one year.
61 (5) (a) There is created a restricted account within the General Fund known as the
62 "Concealed Weapons Account."
63 (b) The account shall be funded from fees collected under this section and Section
64 53-5-707.5.
65 (c) Funds in the account may only be used to cover costs relating to:
66 (i) the issuance of concealed firearm permits under this part; or
67 (ii) the programs described in Subsections 62A-15-103(3) and 76-10-526(15) and
68 Section 62A-15-1101.
69 (d) No later than 90 days after the end of the fiscal year 50% of the fund balance shall
70 be transferred to the Suicide Prevention and Education Fund, created in Section 62A-15-1104.
71 (6) (a) The bureau may collect any fees charged by an outside agency for additional
72 services required by statute as a prerequisite for issuance of a permit.
73 (b) The bureau shall promptly forward any fees collected under Subsection (6)(a) to the
74 appropriate agency.
75 (7) The bureau shall make an annual report in writing to the Legislature's Law
76 Enforcement and Criminal Justice Interim Committee on the amount and use of the fees
77 collected under this section and Section 53-5-707.5.
78 Section 2. Section 62A-15-1104 is enacted to read:
79 62A-15-1103. Suicide Prevention and Education Fund.
80 (1) There is created an expendable special revenue fund known as the Suicide
81 Prevention and Education Fund.
82 (2) The fund shall consist of funds transferred from the Concealed Weapons Account
83 in accordance with Subsection 53-5-707(5)(d).
84 (3) Money in the fund shall be used for suicide prevention efforts that include a focus
85 on firearm safety as related to suicide prevention.
86 (4) The division shall establish a process by rule in accordance with Title 63G, Chapter
87 3, Utah Administrative Rulemaking Act, for the expenditure of money from the fund.
88 (5) The division shall make an annual report to the Legislature regarding the status of
89 the fund, including a report detailing amounts received, expenditures made, and programs and
90 services funded.
91 Section 3. Section 76-10-504 is amended to read:
92 76-10-504. Carrying concealed firearm -- Penalties.
93 (1) Except as provided in [Section] Sections 76-10-503 and 76-10-523 and in
94 Subsections (2), (3), and (4), a person who carries a concealed firearm, as defined in Section
95 76-10-501, including an unloaded firearm on his or her person or one that is readily accessible
96 for immediate use which is not securely encased, as defined in this part, in or on a place other
97 than the person's residence, property, a vehicle in the person's lawful possession, or a vehicle,
98 with the consent of the individual who is lawfully in possession of the vehicle, or business
99 under the person's control is guilty of a class B misdemeanor.
100 (2) A person who carries a concealed firearm that is a loaded firearm in violation of
101 Subsection (1) is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
102 (3) A person who carries concealed an unlawfully possessed short barreled shotgun or
103 a short barreled rifle is guilty of a second degree felony.
104 (4) If the concealed firearm is used in the commission of a violent felony as defined in
105 Section 76-3-203.5, and the person is a party to the offense, the person is guilty of a second
106 degree felony.
107 (5) Nothing in Subsection (1) or (2) prohibits a person engaged in the lawful taking of
108 protected or unprotected wildlife as defined in Title 23, Wildlife Resources Code of Utah, from
109 carrying a concealed firearm as long as the taking of wildlife does not occur:
110 (a) within the limits of a municipality in violation of that municipality's ordinances; or
111 (b) upon the highways of the state as defined in Section 41-6a-102.
112 Section 4. Section 76-10-505 is amended to read:
113 76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
114 (1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
115 (a) in or on a vehicle, unless:
116 (i) the vehicle is in the person's lawful possession; or
117 (ii) the person is carrying the loaded firearm in a vehicle with the consent of the person
118 lawfully in possession of the vehicle;
119 (b) on a public street; or
120 (c) in a posted prohibited area.
121 (2) Subsection (1)(a) does not apply to a minor under 18 years of age, since a minor
122 under 18 years of age may not carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle.
123 (3) Notwithstanding [Subsection] Subsections (1)(a)(i) and (ii), and Subsection
124 73-10-523(5), a person may not possess a loaded rifle, shotgun, or muzzle-loading rifle in a
125 vehicle.
126 (4) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.
127 Section 5. Section 76-10-523 is amended to read:
128 76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws.
129 (1) Except for Sections 76-10-506, 76-10-508, and 76-10-508.1, this part and Title 53,
130 Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Firearm Act, do not apply to any of the following:
131 (a) a United States marshal;
132 (b) a federal official required to carry a firearm;
133 (c) a peace officer of this or any other jurisdiction;
134 (d) a law enforcement official as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
135 (e) a judge as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
136 (f) a court commissioner as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711; or
137 (g) a common carrier while engaged in the regular and ordinary transport of firearms as
138 merchandise.
139 (2) Notwithstanding Subsection (1), the provisions of Section 76-10-528 apply to any
140 individual listed in Subsection (1) who is not employed by a state or federal agency or political
141 subdivision that has adopted a policy or rule regarding the use of dangerous weapons.
142 (3) Subsections 76-10-504(1) and (2), and Section 76-10-505 do not apply to:
143 (a) an individual to whom a permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued:
144 (i) pursuant to Section 53-5-704; or
145 (ii) by another state or county; or
146 (b) a person who is issued a protective order under Subsection 78B-7-603(1)(b) or
147 78B-7-404(1)(b), unless the person is a restricted person as described in Subsection
148 76-10-503(1), for a period of 120 days after the day on which the person is issued the
149 protective order.
150 (4) Except for Sections 76-10-503, 76-10-506, 76-10-508, and 76-10-508.1, this part
151 and Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Firearm Act, do not apply to a nonresident traveling
152 in or though the state, provided that any firearm is:
153 (a) unloaded; and
154 (b) securely encased as defined in Section 76-10-501.
155 (5) Subsections 76-10-504(1) and (2), and 76-10-505(1)(b) do not apply to a person 21
156 years old or older who may otherwise lawfully possess a firearm.

https://le.utah.gov/~2021/bills/static/HB0060.html

Cox has indicated he will sign it, so I think this will happen. I’ll maintain my permit for the reasons Blazé Hazé has spelled out. Especially being able to leave my gun on when visiting a school. My wife substitutes, and it’s nice to leave the gun on when I stop by.

I just renewed my Out of State Utah CCW permit. I don't think this new law will change anything for Out of State Permits. New Hampshire did the same thing a couple years back and still offer the out of state permits.

The new bill specifically details the price of resident and Non-resident permits. So yeah, non-resident permits aren't going anywhere.

Ball's in your court, Governor.

Utah: Permitless Carry Legislation Headed to the Governor

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 2021

Today, February 8th, the Utah House concurred on the Senate amendments for House Bill 60, clearing the final hurdle prior to enrollment and presentation to Governor Cox for his consideration. The NRA applauds both the Utah House and Senate for passing this important legislation. HB 60 had more than three dozen sponsors and co-sponsors, passing both chambers with overwhelming support. 

House Bill 60, sponsored by Representative Walt Brooks (R-75), allows a law-abiding adult to carry a concealed firearm in the State of Utah, without first needing to obtain government permission. This ensures that citizens have their right to self-defense without government red tape or delays. Additionally, this legislation maintains the existing Concealed Firearm Permit (CFP) system, so citizens who still wish to obtain a permit may do so. 

Chief Sponsor: Rep. Walt Brooks

Senate Sponsor: Sen. David P. Hinkins

Cosponsors:
Rep. Nelson T. Abbott
Rep. Cheryl K. Acton
Rep. Carl R. Albrecht
Rep. Kera Birkeland
Rep. Jefferson S. Burton
Rep. Steve R. Christiansen
Rep. Kay J. Christofferson
Rep. Joel Ferry
Rep. Francis D. Gibson
Rep. Matthew H. Gwynn
Rep. Dan N. Johnson
Rep. Marsha Judkins
Rep. Bradley G. Last
Rep. Karianne Lisonbee
Rep. Phil Lyman
Rep. A. Cory Maloy
Rep. Jefferson Moss
Rep. Michael J. Petersen
Rep. Val L. Peterson
Rep. Candice B. Pierucci
Rep. Paul Ray
Rep. Adam Robertson
Rep. Mike Schultz
Rep. Travis M. Seegmiller
Rep. Rex P. Shipp
Rep. Casey Snider
Rep. V. Lowry Snow
Rep. Robert M. Spendlove
Rep. Jeffrey D. Stenquist
Rep. Keven J. Stratton
Rep. Mark A. Strong
Rep. Jordan D. Teuscher
Rep. Christine F. Watkins
Rep. Ryan D. Wilcox
Rep. Mike Winder

https://www.nraila.org/article...aded-to-the-governor

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Originally posted by Expert308:
The Utah non-resident permit is a big deal here. Oregon ...

Yes, certainly has value to you as an Oregon resident! And you'll still be able to get a non-resident permit.

The Utah governor will sign the legislation this week.

The permit still has immense value for a Utah resident. Specifically reciprocity, school carry, NICS-free firearm purchases, handgun carrying during archery/primitive hunts, and carrying in National Parks & Monuments(of which Utah has a bunch).

Without making me comb through the whole bill, can anyone explain if this change will remove the requirement for permit-less open-carry to be two actions away from firing? Basically, the OC carry on an empty cylinder law, unless you have a permit.

IF no permit is required then the current permits will be voided? or done away with?
THEN whenever you buy a weapon, lower or part you have to WAIT for a NICS check after the 4473?
ALTERNATIVE now (in Texas) fill the form, show the CHL, pay for the item and TAKE IT HOME immediately.