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Ever notice the dot on what looks like a Phillips screw on a Japanese motorcycle?

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July 11, 2020, 09:56 PM
pbslinger
Ever notice the dot on what looks like a Phillips screw on a Japanese motorcycle?
That isn't a Phillips screw, its a JIS screw or cross point screw. Also used on other Japanese equipment.

Bought my first Japanese motorcycle in 1972 and have owned one for about 43 of the last 48 years and didn't know it. I have noticed the fit didn't seem perfect, but didn't know why.

They are designed to not cam out, which I'm pretty sure a Phillips is. By cam out, Phillips is designed for rapid assembly before torque limited screwdrivers for assembly line work. With a power screwdriver with Phillips, you just lower the pressure to stop rotation and the bit slips in the screw.

http://jisscrewdriver.com/
July 11, 2020, 10:09 PM
hrcjon
Not sure your point? If you work on Japanese stuff regularly you need jis screwdrivers for the best outcome. Fortunately today it’s not so hard to get them. A long time ago I got my first set with a phone call to Japan that a friend of mine who spoke Japanese had to act as a translator. It took several months and I thought all was lost but eventually the set arrived with a zillion pieces of import paperwork etc. still have them and they work fine. Today amazon makes it easy.


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July 12, 2020, 05:09 AM
PHPaul
Yup, a good set of JIS screwdrivers is pretty much a requirement to work on a LOT of stuff these days, not just motorcycles.




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July 12, 2020, 05:29 AM
vthoky
Thanks, pbslinger! It's barely daylight, and I've already learned something today. Cool




God bless America.
July 12, 2020, 07:16 AM
Oz_Shadow
This reminded me - I used to have a couple Reed/Prince screwdrivers in my box. Never found a screw they actually fit. Mostly just tried to use them on regular Phillips screws.
July 12, 2020, 07:33 AM
.38supersig
Reed & Prince screwdrivers aren't that common.

Reed & Prince screws are what is at most hardware kits because they don't have to pay Phillips Screw Co. for their design.



July 12, 2020, 07:44 AM
9mmnut
I have made millions of phillips screwdrivers and never heard of them. R&P screws are used in the mobile home industry.
July 12, 2020, 08:00 AM
Eponym
Oh, boy! Yet another set of drivers to buy.
I think the world needs a new drive design; these are getting old.
Wikipedia: List of screw drives
July 12, 2020, 02:29 PM
az4783054
I learned something new.
July 12, 2020, 04:40 PM
sjtill
Are the JIS screwdrivers similar to Pozi-Drive?

OK here’s sort of an answer:
quote:
Japanese Industrial Standard has slightly different angles in each of the two axii of all four blades. Posidrive are easily identifiable by the four secondary hash marks between the flutes on the screw head. The JIS MAY, or MAY NOT have a single dot between two of the flutes. Refer to the country of origin and the thread size. If it's metric, asian or european, less than 30 years old, it'll be JIS. I work on Japanese, Chinese, German, Italian, British, Swiss machinery daily.



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July 12, 2020, 11:27 PM
k
Cyclegear/Revzilla sell JIS hex bits. I have found them to work well.