People in California are calling for a 'Calexit' from the US in the wake of Trump's win

October 27, 2018, 11:50 PM

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It’s been done before, but long ago. For example, Vermont split from New York in 1791,

Sorry, no. Vermont was an independent nation from 1777 to 1791. The region was commonly known as “The New Hampshire Grants. Both New York and New Hampshire issues land grants and made claims. Vermonters preferred New Hampshire’s land grants.

Independence was declared in January 1777. That included being free of New York, New Hampshire, and the British colony of Quebec. When Congress considered bringing Vermont in as the 14th state, New York strongly objected. Vermont then open negotiations witn Quebec. By 1791 things had calmed down and Vermont was admitted to the United States.

As for California, keep in mind the United States has federal property in the form of military bases, post offices, national parks and forests. The Colorado River supplies much of the water for the urban areas. All this would have to be resolved.

The precedent would be for either a new state or a separate nation. In the former case, it could lead to multiple states being created. Most of Washington would be happy to divest itself of the Seattle region. No doubt there would be a rush to pack The Senate with new senators.

October 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

Il Cattivo

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All this would have to be resolved.

The Feds don't have to resolve anything - it will remain Fed land. The water issue is none of the Feds' buisness; the new state would have every right to determine its own policies.

October 28, 2018, 11:43 AM

Dakor

CA isn’t going anywhere unless there’s a massive quake.

October 28, 2018, 11:54 AM

satch

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Originally posted by bald1:
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Originally posted by dusty3030:
Withdraw ALL federal spending and interstate trade with CA and see how that economy goes. They could open up their border with their southern neighbor and trade with them.

And don't forget the water they leach from western states! Cut 'em off!

At one time California wanted to get water from the great lakes, water is their biggest problem. The State is almost 50% desert and a lot of that only can be used for farmland buy irrigation methods. Unless things change in the Statehouse in another 10 to 15 years the whole Southern California will be another Detroit and Chicago.

October 28, 2018, 11:58 AM

chellim1

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Originally posted by Dakor:
CA isn’t going anywhere unless there’s a massive quake.

CA isn’t going anywhere physically unless there’s a massive quake...
But the article on the previous page makes it pretty clear California is swirling the bowl and headed down the drain economically. The progressively socialist Democrats are hellbent on making it so.

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor