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Grammar nazis vindicated! A court’s decision in a Maine labor dispute hinged on the absence of an Oxford comma
March 16, 2017, 01:06 PM
BamaJeepsterGrammar nazis vindicated! A court’s decision in a Maine labor dispute hinged on the absence of an Oxford comma
https://qz.com/932004/the-oxfo...dairy-truck-drivers/A court’s decision in a Maine labor dispute hinged on the absence of an Oxford commaA Maine court ruling in a case about overtime pay and dairy delivery didn’t come down to trucks, milk, or money. Instead, it hinged on one missing comma.
Delivery drivers for local milk and cream company Oakhurst Dairy have been tussling with their employers over whether they qualify for overtime. On March 13, a US court of appeals determined that certain clauses of Maine’s overtime laws are grammatically ambiguous.
Because of that lack of clarity, the five drivers won their appeal and were found eligible for overtime. The case now can be heard in a lower court.
The profoundly nerdy ruling is also a win for anyone who dogmatically defends the serial comma.
The serial comma, also known as the Oxford comma for its endorsement by the Oxford University Press style rulebook, is a comma used just before the coordinating conjunction (“and,” or “or,” for example) when three or more terms are listed. You’ll see it in the first sentence of this story—it’s the comma after “milk”—but you won’t find it in the Maine overtime rule at issue in the Oakhurst Dairy case. According to state law, the following types of activities are among those that don’t qualify for overtime pay:
The canning, processing, preserving,
freezing, drying, marketing, storing,
packing for shipment or distribution of:
(1) Agricultural produce;
(2) Meat and fish products; and
(3) Perishable foods.
There, in the comma-less space between the words “shipment” and “or,” the fate of Kevin O’Connor v. Oakhurst Dairy was argued. Is packing (for shipment or distribution) a single activity that is exempt from overtime pay? Or are packing and distributing two different activities, and both exempt?
If lawmakers had used a serial comma, it would have been clear that distribution was an overtime-exempt activity on its own. But without the comma, wrote US appeals judge David J. Barron, the law is ambiguous as to whether distribution is a separate activity, or whether the whole last clause—”packing for shipment or distribution”—is one activity, meaning only the people who pack the dairy products are exempt.
The drivers do distribute, but do not pack, the perishable food.
The debate over the serial comma has long raged and remains unresolved. Proponents of its use (like Quartz, which breaks with the AP Stylebook on this vital matter) say that, when listing things in writing, a comma before the last item is paramount. It separates the sentence “He ate dessert, fries, and ham” from “He ate dessert, fries and ham.” Opponents say that it’s redundant, aesthetically displeasing, and potentially more ambiguous.
Oakhurst, for its part, had argued that “distribution” was separate in the language of the law, meaning its drivers did not qualify for overtime.
In an impressively geeky retort, the drivers responded that all the other exempted activities were listed as gerunds, words ending with “-ing”: Canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing. The word “distribution,” they argued, was therefore not intended to be one of the items in the list.
The first court to hear the case ruled in the company’s favor, but the appellate court disagreed. Wrote Barron, since Maine’s overtime laws are meant to have “remedial purpose,” that is, to help the state’s workers, they should be read liberally. He and the appeals court therefore sided with the drivers, ruling that they are still eligible to receive their unpaid overtime.
Maine has a style guide for legislation, and Oakhurst had argued it expressly instructs law-writers not to use the serial comma:
But, as the appeals court argues—and the style guide shows—clarity is of the utmost importance when a list is ambiguous. From the appellate court ruling:
The manual also contains a proviso—”Be careful if an item in the series is modified”—and then sets out several examples of how lists with modified or otherwise complex terms should be written to avoid the ambiguity that a missing serial comma would otherwise create.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
- John Adams March 16, 2017, 01:09 PM
BurtonRWExcellent.
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A=A March 16, 2017, 01:11 PM
Hound Dog
It bugs the crap out of me when people incorrectly delete this comma. The above pic describes just how important it can be. . .
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March 16, 2017, 01:13 PM
LS1 GTOAs a writer this argument, sadly, makes sense to me, my subordinate writers, and our QA and release processors.
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March 16, 2017, 01:17 PM
MikeinNCquote:
Originally posted by Hound Dog:
It bugs the crap out of me when people incorrectly delete this comma. The above pic describes just how important it can be. . .
Hound dog, you are brilliant.
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Hound DogIt's not my creation, but it sums up my thoughts on the subject.
The Air Force had a thing where they omitted the comma. Drove me nuts.
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March 16, 2017, 01:46 PM
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Balzé HalzéIt confounds me that this isn't universal. Of course the comma belongs there. Any other way just leaves too much ambiguity.
Great ruling.
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March 16, 2017, 02:10 PM
Cassandraquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It confounds me that this isn't universal. Of course the comma belongs there. Any other way just leaves too much ambiguity.
Great ruling.
As a technical writer, I totally agree.
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March 16, 2017, 02:11 PM
PatenShouldn't you just get paid overtime for every hour that is worked over 40 hours in a week? Why would there be exceptions to that?
March 16, 2017, 02:51 PM
1967Goatquote:
Originally posted by Paten:
Shouldn't you just get paid overtime for every hour that is worked over 40 hours in a week? Why would there be exceptions to that?
Someone got paid (when the law was written).
March 16, 2017, 02:58 PM
LS1 GTOquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It confounds me that this isn't universal. Of course the comma belongs there. Any other way just leaves too much ambiguity.
Great ruling.
Maybe the legislators meant it as written...

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March 16, 2017, 03:04 PM
newtoSig765I remember being taught to omit the comma, although we never called it The Oxford Comma. I tend to use it anyway, for clarity.
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March 16, 2017, 03:29 PM
rusbroI want a ruling on,,,,the use of multiple commas in a row.
March 16, 2017, 03:31 PM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by Paten:
Shouldn't you just get paid overtime for every hour that is worked over 40 hours in a week? Why would there be exceptions to that?
You have to ask the Maine lege about that.
But this ruling is deeply satisfying. Now we get to back to the trial court and get a lot of evidence about what the lege meant - testimony from drafters, perhaps, hearing transcripts, conference committee notes . . .
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. March 16, 2017, 03:37 PM
Oat_Action_ManOne of my students gave a presentation on this very subject a few months ago. She cited another court case, it was actually criminal, IIRC, that hinged on this same issue in a statute.
If you are writing legislation, clarity and simplicity should be the rule.
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March 16, 2017, 03:38 PM
Sig2340Praise the Court for siding with the Oxford University Press style rulebook.
One small step toward uniting a people separated by a common language.
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March 16, 2017, 03:46 PM
IrishWindOne would think after gooning up the Second Amendment that the legislators would be more careful.
The first few drafts of the 2A clearly state the right to own arms is with the people. Someone thought they were trying to clear it up when it was introduced as the amendment.
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March 16, 2017, 03:56 PM
vinnybassCount me in the Oxford comma camp.
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Nevaquote:
Originally posted by Cassandra :
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It confounds me that this isn't universal. Of course the comma belongs there. Any other way just leaves too much ambiguity.
Great ruling.
As a technical writer, I totally agree.
As do I.
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