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Originally posted by 6guns:
Aglifter, can you explain that in a bit more detail? Curious. Thanks.
I'm obviously not Aglifter, but I believe he means a style of agriculture that increases topsoil, increases organic matter, increases beneficial bacteria/fungi (e.g. mycorrhiza), etc. It's big contrast to high input (tilling, discing, fertilizer, roundup, other herbicides, pesticides, diesel, etc) modern ag where the fields are barren half the year. The barren times of year, the fields aren't converting the CO2 into O2, and lots of soil erosion.

Examples are:
  • No till with cover crop
  • strip till with cover crop
  • intensive rotational grazing
  • combination of the above

    This Gabe Brown video is nearly an hour but very educational. Gabe is a farmer who has tranformed his farm.



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    Unreal. A bunch of scientists sitting around thinking up ideas about CO2, which the planet needs, and come up with an idea from Spaceballs?



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    Eh, if Al Gore is opposed to the plan then it can’t be all bad. He’s probably done more than anyone else to whip people up into a frenzy about man made climate change, so his scientific opinion is probably off by exactly 180 degrees. We’ve pissed so much money away on other absurd things that I’m not about to get worked up over this. I’m actually going to revel in the irony of these green fanatics pouring billions of dollars into an oil company.




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    I would like $15 Trillion to develop a magic wand that will fix everything in one flick.

    See, folks, that's exactly how it works...
    Rightwire's magic wand wouldn't fix a damn thing for you but it would fix everything in one flick for him.



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    vacuum carbon dioxide from the atmosphere



    I just saved the USG $1.2B - do I get a cut?
     
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    Originally posted by chellim1:
    quote:
    Originally posted by Rightwire:
    I would like $15 Trillion to develop a magic wand that will fix everything in one flick.

    See, folks, that's exactly how it works...
    Rightwire's magic wand wouldn't fix a damn thing for you but it would fix everything in one flick for him.
    Rookies!!!

    Rightwire needs to hit the talk show circuit with his magic wand idea, leverage that into invites to the DC cocktail circuit, ask for $15 Trillion, keep up with the talk show and DC cocktail circuit, ask for another $5 Trillion for "unseen" expenses (e.g. private jets), rub elbows with some glamorous idiots from Hollyweird, at the peak of election season spill the beans to his politician cronies that he's on the verge of bankruptcy which will look bad for them during the election, get a $5 Trillion bailout, after the election is over declare bankruptcy, and milk the talk show circuit one last time decrying "he was ahead of his time."



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    Originally posted by 6guns:
    Aglifter, can you explain that in a bit more detail? Curious. Thanks.
    I'm obviously not Aglifter, but I believe he means a style of agriculture that increases topsoil, increases organic matter, increases beneficial bacteria/fungi (e.g. mycorrhiza), etc. It's big contrast to high input (tilling, discing, fertilizer, roundup, other herbicides, pesticides, diesel, etc) modern ag where the fields are barren half the year. The barren times of year, the fields aren't converting the CO2 into O2, and lots of soil erosion.

    Examples are:
    No till with cover crop
    strip till with cover crop
    intensive rotational grazing
    combination of the above


    Thanks, tatortodd.




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    Gabe Brown is definitely the pre-eminent source for info on regenerative ag.

    We're doing it with our pecan grove - we've gone from almost utterly dead soil, up to 4-6% OM.

    General Mills is pushing it now, so is the USDA/TMK everyone with any education in Ag.

    Artificial fertilizer is losing its efficacy. The hard part for most farmers is making the transition between using all the inputs/plowing, etc and going to never-till/etc.

    Also, a big problem is figuring out which cover crops and co-crops/harvesting co-crops, and possibly breeding up strains of cover crops and co-crops.

    This is a Norman Borlaugh level of change to ag - the state ag schools are probably the best set up to research cover crops/co crops etc, but funding more basic research on how the soil biome works/maybe giving some kind of tax credit/low cost loans to help farmers transition, could be a good investment.
     
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    We're doing it with our pecan grove - we've gone from almost utterly dead soil, up to 4-6% OM.
    Nice work!

    I'm just small scale right now with my raised bed gardens in suburbia (kind of doing it in my lawn but that's definitely staying a monoculture), but plan to have acreage when I retire in 4.5 years.

    Have you seen the Carbon Cowboys series documentary?



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    "You won't lose yer frickin' plants. They'll adapt. Survival of the fittest, remember? Get over it." - future official dogmatic statement from the DOE spokesman, as he and others in the agency are also contemplating on their hike in income from their next career move over to Occidental Petroleum.


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