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Originally posted by az4783054:
Fire a volley of pelosi, schumer and schiff across their bows.

I dunno about that. Sending those folks at an enemy might be considered a war crime.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
Pardon me if this question seems uninformed, but what's the deal with operating Army assets from Navy ships?

IIRC, Army aircraft may not be certified for operation off of various Navy vessels.

Also, Army aircraft bring with them their own ordnance, which may not have been tested to Navy standards for Hazards of Electromagnetic Radiation to Ordnance (HERO). RF energy abounds on-board Navy ships (all those antennas) and unless tested, Army ordnance with electronic fuzing may be susceptible to this RF energy.

Army Helo's have been flaying off Navy ships for quite a while
Operation Prime Chance is an example

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by az4783054:
Fire a volley of pelosi, schumer and schiff across their bows.

I dunno about that. Sending those folks at an enemy might be considered a war crime.

Good point, maybe cruel and unusual punishment, a violation of the Geneva Convention.

Common sense says that one should not venture within weapons range of a warship of any country. Unless you have hostile intent.

If that ship is in your territorial waters uninvited, you better be hostile. If it's in international waters and your hostile, be prepared for them to be very defensive.

And Iran trying to save face...

Iran military chief warns its forces will 'destroy' US warships if threatened in Persian Gulf

Link

Bring on the snowflakes crying that Trump is going to start WWIII.

There will be a clash. Iran is looking for a fight. The Republican Guard is no smarter now than they were 20 years ago. Seems they might have to relearn from their mistakes. M

Would not be too terribly unhappy to have fewer Iranians around.

Send then a Iowa Class. Break out BB61. Long overdue for some big gun fire. Would love to see some drone footage of 16" shells hitting their little fish. As I understand, Iowa hasn't ever had too many surface engagements in her history. She needs to raise her score a bit.

With their navy you don’t need a BB, even if we had one. Hell those “patrol” boats last week are glorified pleasure craft. The rest of their navy isn’t much better.

so it should be moderated easy to destroy their entire navy in say 2 to 3 hours....

sounds like a SEAL team might have some excellent training opportunities in the near future

If you actually wanted to destroy the fighting capability of their navy it wouldn’t take long. It’s just a matter of determination. Ie, if we determined to do it it would be over in a matter of hours. Most of their stuff is old or Iranian built and frigate or corvette size and smaller. They have some old Russian subs which you couldn’t pay me to submerge in. Other than salvo launching their missiles all at once they pose no real threat if you are on a war footing.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

Good point, maybe cruel and unusual punishment, a violation of the Geneva Convention.

The ban on poison gas, maybe?

Poison gas would be less painful than getting hit with a Pelosi

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Originally posted by smlsig:
I hope it is issued as an order..

One question for our Navy and CG guys. What is the SOP distance to maintain between a Navy warship and other foreign vessels while under way?

I would imagine it somewhat depends on the ship but there has to be some standard..

It really depends on the situation. I'm just giving general statements here as I'm not in the military but do run foreign flagged yachts etc. and have passed many Navy ships and submarines. In open ocean, I would say 1 nautical mile if you're passing side by side, going across ones bow I would assume 2 nautical miles. But there are many areas due to depth where that is not possible and the Navy will contact you AND tell you exactly what they want you to do.

The last time I came back from the Bahamas in November, I was running a 66' MY and doing a straight track across the Gulf Stream (Ocean) for the inlet, 50 NM track at 27-28 knots or 33-35 mph at the same heading in a 66' motoryacht. About 10 miles from port I was intercepted by a USCG helicopter at around 300' altitude who started calling me on the VHF radio. First they asked the usual stuff (which takes a few minutes to answer the questions). Where's your last port of call, where are you heading to, how many people on board, what's the nationality of those people, name of vessel, official documentation number, etc. They kept with us and were circling us as and looking in the windows with binoculars and who knows what else (infrared etc.) we stayed underway at same course and speed. It was rough 5-7', so most of us were downstairs and not up on the flybridge. Finally satisfied with the answers they said maintain course and speed all of the way to Hillsboro Inlet (we were 5-6 miles out now and 12-15 minutes out) without changing course or slowing down. 2 miles from the inlet we passed 200 yards behind a Navy submarine on the surface doing maybe 8-10 knots, but obviously we didn't see it until we were about 1/2 a mile from it.

I also was coming into Cape Caneveral port 3 years ago on a 68' and the channel is narrow...…..maybe 200 yards wide then narrows to 100 yards or so...….we were doing 22 knots and they told us to slow down to slow speed and hug the South side of the channel, as we got close we passed a submarine leaving the port on the surface with guys on deck by 100 yards.....but were escorted by small gun boats the entire way in until we were past him.

Bottom line, they're plotting (well should be) all of the ships, boat etc. in their immediate vicinity and know how close each one will pass them, providing everyone stays on the same course and speed (which normally happens in open ocean). they determine how far away you should pass them and WILL let you know what to do and how far to pass them and if they don't like what you're doing will start giving warnings and then I would assume act. USCG cutters seem to be a bit more lax and most of the time pass them 1/2 a mile away in places...….

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Common sense says that one should not venture within weapons range of a warship of any country. Unless you have hostile intent.

If that ship is in your territorial waters uninvited, you better be hostile. If it's in international waters and your hostile, be prepared for them to be very defensive.

It doesn't work that way. A lot of warships have anti-ship cruise missiles that have a range of 60+ nm. Be kinda tough NOT to be near one going through the Straits of Malacca or Straits of Hormuz or....

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Originally posted by David Lee:
Send then a Iowa Class. Break out BB61. Long overdue for some big gun fire. Would love to see some drone footage of 16" shells hitting their little fish. As I understand, Iowa hasn't ever had too many surface engagements in her history. She needs to raise her score a bit.

Those turrets for the 16" guns move too slow to track fast attack craft.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Common sense says that one should not venture within weapons range of a warship of any country. Unless you have hostile intent. If they even have a radar and are watching it with any regularity.

If that ship is in your territorial waters uninvited, you better be hostile. If it's in international waters and your hostile, be prepared for them to be very defensive.

Yeah, not so much. First, you have the radar horizon limitations, meaning most ships have little to no idea what is beyond the radar horizon of around 18-25 miles, depending on mast height.

Second, we aren't in a war out there and none of the sailors want to die for some stupid ego driven macho reason. Ships of all sorts travel the high seas - from small 'junk' fishing boats to large container ships. Those little fishing boats usually have no radar and a handful of poor souls onboard - they get warned away and change course.

Third, to 'stay out of weapons range', you have to (1) know where the ship is and (2) what it's capability is. Neither of which any country wants to advertise...

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
With their navy you don’t need a BB, even if we had one...

^^^^
True. But nothing has the panache of a BB.

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Originally posted by Kraquin:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Common sense says that one should not venture within weapons range of a warship of any country. Unless you have hostile intent.

If that ship is in your territorial waters uninvited, you better be hostile. If it's in international waters and your hostile, be prepared for them to be very defensive.

It doesn't work that way. A lot of warships have anti-ship cruise missiles that have a range of 60+ nm. Be kinda tough NOT to be near one going through the Straits of Malacca or Straits of Hormuz or....

I assume he's talking about 20mm or 50 cal or whatever they have on deck for small targets.

Why don't we just GTFO. I'm pretty sure that would tone down the Saudis over producing oil if they had to defend their own worthless asses. I could give a fuck what happens in that region. We can be energy independent as proven in the last 3 years. Probably short sighted on my part but I am fucking tired of that region. No more blood or treasure should be spent there. </rantover>