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Originally posted by Prefontaine:

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Originally posted by Cous2492:

Fellow Catholic, here. I can relate to that sentiment from time to time. The debate gets old. The same worn out arguments get old. What never gets old is getting a message from someone who took a closer look at the faith and ended up converting. There have been more than one. They don't convert from the "go take a shit" argument, although that's usually the first thing I think with some of the more egregious posts...

Keep the faith. Be the light.

I know man. I’m just tired of it. I don’t tell anyone IRL to go take a shit but I do shut this same conversation down and if they keep it up, I’m out. After a few shots on goal, I will cuss, and if they don’t cut it out, adios. So don’t take it literal, it’s just my Texan lingo. I lead by example and I have a number of young women to protect and lead in my family. And I take that responsibility about as high as it can be taken.

But I’m not ever going to get on this forum and preach nor try to convert anyone. Some posts in this thread are SMH turf. These days many people politicize everything, including God. I don’t get that either. Nobody has a gun to their head forcing them to go to ANY denomination. It’s like they just enjoy taking shots and pointing fingers, keyboard warrior style. If you don’t like my faith, great, don’t participate, don’t go, ever. But just laying the incessant shits on it, man it gets old. And I’m not some Bible thumping style anyways. I think of Saint Michael and picture an ornery cuss so I’m not alone

And I am one of the people you mentioned. A guy I taught the music business to for many many years is a devout Catholic. He is still in the music business and goes to mass every single day, even on tour. Every single day. He gave me a nudge, I took a closer look, then RCIA, etc. That was 20 years ago when I went in.

I think we'd get along well. I am always the one in the group who is a little rough around the edges. Make the church ladies blush a little with my jokes. It's a gift. And a curse.

Get a load of the pope's brothers
By Monica Showalter

It's as if God has a sense of humor.

Imagine getting elected to the 2,000-year-old Chair of St. Peter. You'd become the head of state of an unbroken succession of popes as well as the leader of the world's largest religion, one watched and followed closely by others, every word you said dissected closely. Your blessings would be sought, you'd deliver the global pieties, you'd avoid grubby politics, focusing on the tenets of your faith.

But then, you have these guys behind you, your two brothers, at least one of whom loves himself some Trump.

https://www.americanthinker.co...pope_s_brothers.html

Brother Lou seems like one of us...

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Some posts in this thread are SMH turf.

I think I agree with you even if I don’t know what SMH turf is.
I think SMH is the symbol for the semiconductor ETF.

"SMH" is a common online acronym that stands for "shaking my head". It's used to express disbelief, frustration, or disapproval when someone is reacting negatively to something they've seen, heard, or read. It's a way of conveying the physical action of shaking one's head in response to something


Yes if he's even half the conservative of his brother it's going to be better for the Church..

***Older thread***

This new Pope is a real Dope

https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/st...360573478359190?s=20

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Originally posted by PASig:
***Older thread***

This new Pope is a real Dope

Sarcasm?
You do know that the Bee is a satire website.

Except he actually did say that.

https://www.ncregister.com/cna...f-those-who-wage-war

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Originally posted by SpinZone:


You do know that the Bee is a satire website.

What? No one told me!

Yes, I know but they have a way of hitting the nail right on the head with current events. In this case...Pope Doofus.

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Except he actually did say that.

https://www.ncregister.com/cna...f-those-who-wage-war

Funny thing is: He never criticizes Iran or Islam for 50 years of "Death to America!" and "Submit or Die!"

He only criticizes those who stand up to Islam.

Pope Leo XIV on Palm Sunday sharply condemned war and the use of religion to justify violence, saying during Mass in St. Peter’s Square that God “does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war.”

At the start of Holy Week, the Pope tied the Church’s contemplation of Christ’s Passion to the suffering of people caught in today’s conflicts, especially Christians in the Middle East.

In his Palm Sunday homily, Leo repeatedly presented Christ as the “King of Peace,” contrasting Jesus’ meekness with the violence surrounding him as he entered into his Passion.

“We turn our gaze to Jesus, who reveals himself as King of Peace, even as war looms abounds him,” the pope said. “He remains steadfast in meekness, while others are stirring up violence.”

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Originally posted by SpinZone:...
Sarcasm?
You do know that the Bee is a satire website.

So is The Drudge Report...

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Funny thing is: He never criticizes Iran or Islam for 50 years of "Death to America!" and "Submit or Die!"

Criticize? Hell, he gave them a prayer room in the fucking Vatican.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Criticize? Hell, he gave them a prayer room in the fucking Vatican.

Yeah... but I thought Francis was evil.
Leo just strikes me as naive.

^^^ Being from Chicago says a lot.

This coming from the Vatican that waged how many crusades?
Infiltrated.

The Pope’s Easter Message About Peace

To understand a Christian’s obligation, it helps to examine whether conflicts sow hatred and division, or whether hatred and division sow conflicts.

M. E. Boyd | April 7, 2026

The Vatican, by a 1929 treaty, must remain neutral politically. Swept up in the Italian unification turmoil of the 19th century, and having lost the protection of French troops, the once-important Papal States came to an end. The Vatican’s military protection since 1970 is the ceremonial 16th-century Swiss Guard. The walls around the Vatican were built for protection from Muslim raids in 846-52 AD by Pope Leo IV.

This is the context, then, of the Pope’s Easter message of 2026. In summary, Pope Leo XIV said Jesus was about dialogue, where we recognize each other as brothers and sisters, regardless of faith. “Jesus gives us the silence of weapons.” He is the quintessential Prince of Peace. From this premise, with the required neutrality in mind, the Pope then called upon humanity to end the globalization of indifference toward conflict and war. “Let us abandon every desire for conflict...let those who have power to unleash wars choose peace.”

The early Christian writer Tertullian, 155/60-240 AD, would have agreed. When Jesus told Peter to put down his sword, Tertullian tells us, he is proclaiming Christian pacifism. So, where does this leave Christians today, caught up in a vicious live war with Iran, and cold wars with China, Russia, and North Korea, among others? In reality, we are on a moral tightrope. The Pope has declared war evil and said plainly that “we cannot be indifferent to the repercussions of hatred and division that conflicts sow.”

The question becomes, in trying to understand the nature of the tightrope, whether conflicts sow hatred and division, or whether hatred and division sow conflicts. If we decide it is the latter, this might lead us to a slightly different understanding of the notion of Christian pacifism than what the Pope is calling for in his Easter message. Perhaps we might call it Pragmatic Christian Pacifism. Ambrose of Milan, 340-397 AD, called it “just war.” To Ambrose, this meant defensive war as a last resort, with mercy shown to the defeated. He also posited that the failure to defend can be unjust.

A knowledge of relevant history might help us understand these fine distinctions. The moral tightrope we are on is frightening if we look down. On one side of the tightrope, if we fall, is the unrelenting hatred of Western Civilization and America in particular by Islamism, and on the other side is the deadening atheism and inhumanity of Marxism in its many forms. Behind us is Satan’s constant deception, attempting, as we try to gain our moral balance, to sever the very rope we are navigating. The following is a small example and does not include the many lost American lives because of our participation in putting Islamism in power in Iran in 1979.

Muhammad claims to have been called to be a prophet of Allah around 610 AD. Christianity was only 600 years old. For the years in Mecca when he struggled, he called for peace. After going to Medina, however, his views became more warlike. It is after his death in 632 AD that the unrelenting calls for conquest and brutality for non-believers began.

638 AD – Jerusalem surrenders to a Muslim army
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711 AD – Muslims invade Spain

732 AD – Muslims invade France but are stopped by Charles Martel; Western Europe remains Christian

988 AD – Muslims invade Ukraine but are stopped by Vladimir of Kiev; Eastern Europe remains Christian

1091 AD – Muslims drive Christians out of Jerusalem; it was recaptured in 1099, but taken again by Muslims in 1187. Christians were subsequently forced out of the Holy Land altogether

1300 AD – the Muslim Ottoman Empire is formed; many countries are overrun

1524 AD – Muslims begin the siege of Vienna

1571 AD – the Holy League (Venice, Spain, the Papal States, Knights Hospitalier) defeat Muslims in an important naval battle; Europeans breathe a sigh of relief from Muslim terror

1736-1878 AD – Muslims wage war with Russia

1915 AD – Muslims slaughter Armenians

1924 AD – after WWI the Ottoman caliphate (one supreme religious/political leader) is ended; modern Israel is proposed and comes into being in 1948 AD; continuous war between Israel and its neighbors ensues

1979 AD – with the help of America, Shia Mullahs take over Iran and call for the death of the West and America in particular

1979–2026 AD – 47 years of appeasement, bribery, threats, more appeasement, then acceptance of Iran developing weapons of mass destruction in the hopes that after thirteen-hundred and eighty-eight years, Islamism will change its ambitions

Should one come to the conclusion that Islamism’s pattern of conquest and brutality is not going to end through dialogue, and that their hatred of Christianity has been unending since 632 AD, what is the “proper” response if, as the Pope says, Jesus calls us to put down the sword, love our enemies, and turn the other cheek from harm and abuse? Perhaps the Pope’s message can best be understood if applied to the person, not necessarily the state. Individual Christians should not be indifferent to suffering in war. Individual Christians should not resign themselves to evil. Individual Christians should not desire conflict.

A Christian state, however, with its governing responsibilities, has no duty to commit to its own demise. Fecklessness is not a Christian duty. If war is required to save what Jesus brought to us, we can only hope there emerges within our midst a Charles Martel, a Vladimir of Kiev, or a Philip II of Spain.

The defense of Christianity in general, and America in particular, if conducted with appropriate proportionality and mercy, can be within the moral boundaries enunciated by the Pope’s Easter message. There can never be a time in which the individual Christian can be relieved of the anxiety associated with navigating a moral tightrope. This is the very definition of a Pragmatic Christian Pacifist.

It might be wise, also, for Pope Leo XIV to remember he is protected only by some 16th-century spears and an easily scaled wall. America may need to exist to prevent his martyrdom.

https://www.americanthinker.co...age_about_peace.html

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If war is required to save what Jesus brought to us, we can only hope there emerges within our midst a Charles Martel, a Vladimir of Kiev, or a Philip II of Spain.

It seems to me that Donald Trump has emerged.

^^^ Right.
Fecklessness is not a Christian duty.
The pope wants peace, but I think he needs to understand the larger context of history.

Abp. Cordileone described the other day how these actions meet and follow Just War Doctrine. Dope Leo might want to dust off his catechism and do a little reading.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Criticize? Hell, he gave them a prayer room in the fucking Vatican.

Yeah... but I thought Francis was evil.
Leo just strikes me as naive.

I’ve started referring to him as Francis 2.0 (which I think I stole from someone here) and boy does it trigger my (adult) kids.

I know he’s been Pope for less than a year, but apart from seeming more personable than Francis (not a big hurdle), I don’t think there’s been much difference.

I think my kids are still starry eyed by the fact that he’s a Chicagoan. But I don’t care where he’s from: I want the nonsense to stop. Kill the ‘Synod on Snodality’, revoke Traditiones Custodes, appoint some good bishops, heck - maybe even proclaim the Faith!

I don't see Leo going over to Iran, asking them to stop developing nuclear weapons, stop murdering their own people and play nice with the rest of the world.

Actions, not talk, Leo!

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M. E. Boyd | April 7, 2026
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1979 AD – with the help of America, Shia Mullahs take over Iran
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?? I think he's got some wires crossed in that assertion. USA gave no help to overthrow the Shah in 1979 that I'm aware of.

Having been around at the time, my recollection is that the mullah's revolution took place while, at the Shah's request, the Shah was in the US for medical treatment. Allowing him here for medical care was seen by the Iranians as our trying to help the secular side against the mullahs.