Selecting a new Pope, Conclave, First Round done

May 11, 2025, 03:01 AM

KMitch200

Cous2492:

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There is both biblical evidence and real, physical evidence of this truth. The Bread of Life Discourse found in John 6 is a good starting point, and there are dozens of additional biblical verses that support the Catholic Doctrine. The physical evidence is compelling and ages like a fine wine. There are Eucharistic Miracles, too many to count, where physical changes occur, often as a sign to wary priests or bishops. Look up the Eucharistic Miracles of Lanciano and try to disprove it.... You can't.

Oh please…an event that happened some 1300 years ago is “proof”? C’Mon man!
How arrogant some people can be.

To look at these as “physical evidence” is absurd.

I find as much enlightenment from the teachings rejected for inclusion in the Bible as I do from teachings that were “approved” for the “official” bible. There isn’t anything wrong with questions about the political, monetary things that shaped our current Bible.

For the record, I accept Christ as my savior.
Whatever the teachings of mortal, political and need for greed men, that remains my cornerstone.

EDIT TO AD: Anybody that farmed out child molesters to another location to avoid prosecution should be in prison!

May 11, 2025, 11:16 AM

Cous2492

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Originally posted by KMitch200:
Cous2492:
quote:
There is both biblical evidence and real, physical evidence of this truth. The Bread of Life Discourse found in John 6 is a good starting point, and there are dozens of additional biblical verses that support the Catholic Doctrine. The physical evidence is compelling and ages like a fine wine. There are Eucharistic Miracles, too many to count, where physical changes occur, often as a sign to wary priests or bishops. Look up the Eucharistic Miracles of Lanciano and try to disprove it.... You can't.

Oh please…an event that happened some 1300 years ago is “proof”? C’Mon man!
How arrogant some people can be. To look at these as “physical evidence” is absurd.

I find as much enlightenment from the teachings rejected for inclusion in the Bible as I do from teachings that were “approved” for the “official” bible. There isn’t anything wrong with questions about the political, monetary things that shaped our current Bible.

For the record, I accept Christ as my savior.
Whatever the teachings of mortal, political and need for greed men, that remains my cornerstone.

EDIT TO AD: Anybody that farmed out child molesters to another location to avoid prosecution should be in prison!

Then explain it.

I suspect that any discussion with you on the topic is probably not going to be fruitful. A hard heart is not one to try to persuade. A hard heart is one to soften. So instead, I simply ask that you look at the miracle, pick it apart, pray about it, and try to disprove it.

The child abuse that happened is a stain on the church. There were definitely instances of abuse. There is no excuse for child abuse. It is also a complicated issue, where there were a lot of alligators made, often years or decades later, often with a monetary demand attached to them, and that were often uninvestigatable (both by the Church and by the law). They were often floated out as alligators and settlements were paid to try to calm the mob. Many allogations, of not most were false, but due to the circumstances were never able to go beyond that stage. Should every unsubstantiated alligation be met with excommunication and prosecution?

May 11, 2025, 11:31 AM

Gustofer

And let's not overlook the fact that there have been more Protestant cases of abuse than Catholic. I'm not excusing either, but the Church is not alone with this stain. Whether it is a Protestant minister, a Catholic priest, a high school coach/teacher, or a Boy Scout leader...They are all wrong and should all be punished. Hypocrisy, however, is also wrong.

May 11, 2025, 11:39 AM

trapper189

New Pope Now Second-Most Influential Christian Named 'Bob'

“At publishing time, the Pope had reportedly changed his name to "Leo" so that he would no longer have to compete with Bob the Tomato.“

May 11, 2025, 11:41 AM

KSGM

I don't hold the sex abuse allegations (and confirmed cases) against the Catholic church, the same way I don't condemn the church and its congregation because of the Crusades or Native American Residential Schools.

History is rife with examples of bad Christians. Be them confused, outright evil, or anything in between; these people didn't represent Christ in their actions. The Holy Spirit was not the hand guiding the perpetrators of these offenses.

May 11, 2025, 11:51 AM

Cous2492

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Originally posted by KSGM:
I don't hold the sex abuse allegations (and confirmed cases) against the Catholic church, the same way I don't condemn the church and its congregation because of the Crusades or Native American Residential Schools.

History is rife with examples of bad Christians. Be them confused, outright evil, or anything in between; these people didn't represent Christ in their actions. The Holy Spirit was not the hand guiding the perpetrators of these offenses.

Did you happen to catch the latest updates on the whole Indigenous Schools scandal in Canada? It was all a lie. Bergoglio apologized for something that didn't happen.

Edited for punctuation.

May 11, 2025, 11:54 AM

KSGM

I did not know that. Why on earth would he apologize for something that the church hadn't even confirmed as being true? That's bizarre, and certainly lends weight to claims that he was more of a political activist than he ought to have been.

Can you provide links to the "latest updates" on the Canadian Indigenous Schools?

May 11, 2025, 12:24 PM

chellim1

The world does not understand the Church, nor her teachings, nor the Pope. For the ways of the world are not the ways of the Lord or the Church.

It is no surprise that media and culture are filled with criticism and negativity toward the Church.

And yet, self-examination is often necessary because the Church, though instituted by Christ has been led by fallible men.

Cardinal Pell and the ‘Demos’ Memorandum
https://www.ncregister.com/blo...the-demos-memorandum

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor

May 11, 2025, 12:29 PM

Cous2492

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Originally posted by KSGM:
I did not know that. Why on earth would he apologize for something that the church hadn't even confirmed as being true? That's bizarre, and certainly lends weight to claims that he was more of a political activist than he ought to have been.

Can you provide links to the "latest updates" on the Canadian Indigenous Schools?

Certainly.

https://thecatholicherald.com/...-church-run-schools/

May 11, 2025, 12:33 PM

KSGM

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The world does not understand the Church, nor her teachings, nor the Pope. For the ways of the Lord are not the ways of the world.

It is no surprise that media and culture are filled with criticism and negativity toward the Church.

What is becoming confusing to me, though, is the inter-denominational negativity. I think that anyone who believes the truth of Christ ought to be able to see through the BS, and not condemn the church. I think the Protestant folks who dig at the Catholics haven't made any effort to think critically (as guided by The Spirit), and/or haven't spoken with Catholics like y'all.

May 11, 2025, 03:30 PM

Tuckerrnr1

May 11, 2025, 04:11 PM

Prefontaine

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Originally posted by KSGM:
What is becoming confusing to me, though, is the inter-denominational negativity. I think that anyone who believes the truth of Christ ought to be able to see through the BS, and not condemn the church. I think the Protestant folks who dig at the Catholics haven't made any effort to think critically (as guided by The Spirit), and/or haven't spoken with Catholics like y'all.

I’m long past it brother. These days people start this shit up I just tell them to STFU because I’m not hearing it. My future wife used to make digs such as “y’all worship Mary” and referred to it as false idolatry, etc. Oh my. These denominations really do foster this hatred. I’ve never in my life been at mass and heard a Priest take shots at other faiths. Not a single instance in many years. Attending baptist, non-denominations, man I heard the shots all the time. That’s what ran me out of there and right into RCIA many many years ago.

Any man (or woman) of the cloth that abuses a child should be castrated IMO, locked up under a jail, or both. But pedophilia, if you listen to the narrative the media likes to push, only exists in the Catholic Church. That’s an outright lie. I haven’t met a Catholic yet who didn’t outright condemn this shit. The Vatican has changed over times and continues to do so.

My local parish or any parishes I visit while on vacation, to attend mass, are not the Vatican. Look at the country we all love, the United States of America. The people that run it, are they some perfect folk who never make a false move? Please. So don’t throw that same bullshit shade on all the Catholic leaders. If it’s man, there are gonna be fuck ups.

I’m going to be optimistic on our new Pope until he proves otherwise. I’m Catholic, extremely proud of being Catholic and everyone who doesn’t like it can go take a shit.

May 11, 2025, 04:29 PM

Cous2492

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
quote:
Originally posted by KSGM:
What is becoming confusing to me, though, is the inter-denominational negativity. I think that anyone who believes the truth of Christ ought to be able to see through the BS, and not condemn the church. I think the Protestant folks who dig at the Catholics haven't made any effort to think critically (as guided by The Spirit), and/or haven't spoken with Catholics like y'all.

I’m long past it brother. These days people start this shit up I just tell them to STFU because I’m not hearing it. My future wife used to make digs such as “y’all worship Mary” and referred to it as false idolatry, etc. Oh my. These denominations really do foster this hatred. I’ve never in my life been at mass and heard a Priest take shots at other faiths. Not a single instance in many years. Attending baptist, non-denominations, man I heard the shots all the time. That’s what ran me out of there and right into RCIA many many years ago.

Any man (or woman) of the cloth that abuses a child should be castrated IMO, locked up under a jail, or both. But pedophilia, if you listen to the narrative the media likes to push, only exists in the Catholic Church. That’s an outright lie. I haven’t met a Catholic yet who didn’t outright condemn this shit. The Vatican has changed over times and continues to do so.

My local parish or any parishes I visit while on vacation, to attend mass, are not the Vatican. Look at the country we all love, the United States of America. The people that run it, are they some perfect folk who never make a false move? Please. So don’t throw that same bullshit shade on all the Catholic leaders. If it’s man, there are gonna be fuck ups.

I’m going to be optimistic on our new Pope until he proves otherwise. I’m Catholic, extremely proud of being Catholic and everyone who doesn’t like it can go take a shit.

Fellow Catholic, here. I can relate to that sentiment from time to time. The debate gets old. The same worn out arguments get old. What never gets old is getting a message from someone who took a closer look at the faith and ended up converting. There have been more than one. They don't convert from the "go take a shit" argument, although that's usually the first thing I think with some of the more egregious posts...

Keep the faith. Be the light.

May 11, 2025, 05:14 PM

ZSMICHAEL

The Pope was born in Chicago but grew up in Dolton,a pretty rough neighborhood with gang acitivity. The following is a list of most
Dangerous South suburbs of Chicago
1. Dolton, Illinois
2. Harvey
There are a bunch more but I cannot copy and paste. They are listed in the order of dangerousness.

May 11, 2025, 06:14 PM

Gustofer

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
The Pope was born in Chicago but grew up in Dolton,a pretty rough neighborhood with gang acitivity.

It certainly is nowadays. Was it back then as well?

My folks moved out of Burnside (89th) back in the 60s because it was going to hell. Not sure if that extended that far south as well.

May 11, 2025, 06:22 PM

ZSMICHAEL

Not sure,but the demographics suggest what they used to call White Flight. The neighborhood I grew up in was almost 100 percent Lithuanian and is now 90 percent Hispanic. The local Church still has a couple of Lithuanian priests and at least one Mass in Lithuanian. Mexican flags are pretty prominent.

May 11, 2025, 08:06 PM

Prefontaine

quote:
Originally posted by Cous2492:

Fellow Catholic, here. I can relate to that sentiment from time to time. The debate gets old. The same worn out arguments get old. What never gets old is getting a message from someone who took a closer look at the faith and ended up converting. There have been more than one. They don't convert from the "go take a shit" argument, although that's usually the first thing I think with some of the more egregious posts...

Keep the faith. Be the light.

I know man. I’m just tired of it. I don’t tell anyone IRL to go take a shit but I do shut this same conversation down and if they keep it up, I’m out. After a few shots on goal, I will cuss, and if they don’t cut it out, adios. So don’t take it literal, it’s just my Texan lingo. I lead by example and I have a number of young women to protect and lead in my family. And I take that responsibility about as high as it can be taken.

But I’m not ever going to get on this forum and preach nor try to convert anyone. Some posts in this thread are SMH turf. These days many people politicize everything, including God. I don’t get that either. Nobody has a gun to their head forcing them to go to ANY denomination. It’s like they just enjoy taking shots and pointing fingers, keyboard warrior style. If you don’t like my faith, great, don’t participate, don’t go, ever. But just laying the incessant shits on it, man it gets old. And I’m not some Bible thumping style anyways. I think of Saint Michael and picture an ornery cuss so I’m not alone

And I am one of the people you mentioned. A guy I taught the music business to for many many years is a devout Catholic. He is still in the music business and goes to mass every single day, even on tour. Every single day. He gave me a nudge, I took a closer look, then RCIA, etc. That was 20 years ago when I went in.