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Legalize the Constitution |
[Emphasis added by me] Continuing.
Interesting that the ONLY aircraft meeting its mission capability goal every year of the study is the USAF’s UH-1 helicopters. They’re quite familiar to me here because F.E. Warren AFB uses them in its missile defense system mission. This seems to be their most common role, support of missile defense across the country, although some Air Force Hueys are based near Washington DC to fly government officials away from the capital should the need arise. I believe I read were talking about just 34 helos. The numbers are eye opening and it’s incredible to me that half the military’s aircraft did not meet their mission capable goal in ANY year of the study. You’ll see that we have a problem with parts availability in particular, and for most of our country’s aircraft. It’s a 248 page report, but you can glean a lot of information with just 15 minutes of study. GAO Report _______________________________________________________ despite them | ||
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1st, I have not read the report. 2nd, you have to understand the terms FMC (fully mission capable) and PMC (partially mission capable). I am guessing that most of the aircraft I flew during my career were PMC (including my time deployed in a combat zone). They were fine for the mission I was flying that day/week, just not ok for every mission they could possibly be tasked for. Would I have rather been flying aircraft built in 2005 vs 1974? Sure. Is is as bad as it sounds? Nope. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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What is the NMC rate? | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
NMC - Non Mission Capable (can't fly) PMC - Partial Mission Capable (able to fly safely but cannot perform some of its mission (like can't shoot guns but can shoot missiles) ) FMC - Full Mission Capable (can do everything the aircraft was designed to perform) Now with that, during Desert Storm VF-1 and VF-2 (USS Ranger, CAG-2) had one NMC aircraft between them (24 aircraft total). All i can say is trust me, in war time, standards change when air medals (with a "V") are considered.  Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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To me anyway, 46 types seems like a lot. Now I will spend all weekend trying to name them. | |||
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In my experience with Army, DOD and GAO auditors, many of them didn't have a clue as to what they were auditing. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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| Legalize the Constitution |
I may have misread, but I thought I read that each military service told the GAO what they defined as “mission capable” and therefore what to audit. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Low Speed, High Drag |
I can only speak on how the Navy does it's reporting. Each Squadron reports up to their Type Wing (AMSRR), and then each Wing reports their rates up to Naval Air Forces. The reports state how many aircraft each squadron has "In Reporting" (a aircraft can be out of reporting if its going though rework or Mod, ect...) The report also states the number of aircraft that are FMC, PMCM, PMCS, NMCM, NMCS. An Audit would be easy to do for the GAO Back in my day we would try to consolidate all the PMCS or NMCS grips against one bird so our FMC rate would be as high as possible. I understand now they have more of a truth in reporting system. "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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Ah yes, the "hanger queen"  Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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No need, they're all in the chart on page 2. And it depends on your definition of the word "type." Under cargo the C-130 is listed three times as a T, H, and J. Then twice more under refueling as a T and a J. The AC is not listed. | |||
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The AC-130 is not a type, but a mission. The AC-130 uses three types; the AC-130J, AC-130U, and AC-130W. The AC-130W is an C-130H model with some package additions, but an H model none the less. The AC-130J is a C-130J model. The AC-130U is a also a modified C-130H model. | |||
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I would like to see the data breakdown and how/what data was requested. When the data was collected would be nice too such as pre/post deployment. I'd like to see the tasking, FMC/PMC/NMC rate, mission completion rate, and failed sortie rate graphed. At the end of the day the real questions are: 1. Are the requested missions being completed regardless of FMC/PMC/NMC rates? 2. In relation to mission completion rates, is there excess capacity to overcome aircraft that go NMC during preflight/launch? 3. Is there excess capacity to meet unforeseen/war/power projection missions? 4. Are less taskings being doled out due to a higher NMC rate? Probably more and better questions. _____________________________________________ Never use more than three words to say "I don't know" | |||
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| Legalize the Constitution |
and those questions might be addressed in the classified version of the report, Sigolicious _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Sigolicious Those are very good questions. As TMats implied, any answer with specific numbers will be classified. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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These type of reports you gotta read between the lines. As others have mentioned, the bird may not be in perfect working order (cranky left gear, 1:3 radios not working right, can't connect to SATCOM, one of the modes not working on the display, etc..) BUT, if it can fly safely and perform 80% of it's mission-set, that may be good enough. | |||
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AC-130U is retired. We only have J and a few W remaining. Within 2 years the fleet will be pure ACJ. | |||
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| Low Speed, High Drag |
In the Navy NATOPS and The Mission Essential Subsystem Matrix (MESM) determines what systems are needed to perform a mission. If you have a gripe against one of the system components the aircraft must be listed PMC. "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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True: still H models and J models, though. Disclaimer: I flew A models (and no, they didn't have wooden propellers). | |||
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