Very good. Moving in the right direction.

Most Excellent, but WOW, didn't see that coming! Forwarded to family members still trapped behind enemy lines in New Jermany!

That’s most excellent news.

I see California as being the last to ever fall in line and admit that the US has a constitution

Very good news!! Ex New Jersey gun owner that could not get a permit.

Happy for ya, Jersey!

Waiting for the "But..."

The key phrase: "the applicant need not submit a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun."

As a NJ resident, I am delighted! Great news.

Great news for NJ.
But don't they still lock you up forever for hollow points?
Or was that just a Sopranos tale?

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Great news for NJ.
But don't they still lock you up forever for hollow points?
Or was that just a Sopranos tale?

Not a tale. Non LEO, HP's outside of home or range Felony.

But don't worry there are plenty of not yet ruled unconstitutional hoops to jump thru. D) is the only part that goes away

(a) Every person applying for a permit to carry a handgun shall furnish such information and particulars as set forth in the application form designated SP 642. The application shall be signed by the applicant under oath and shall be endorsed by three reputable persons who have known the applicant for at least three years preceding the date of application, and who shall also certify thereon that the applicant is a person of good moral character and behavior. Applications can be obtained at police departments and State Police stations.

(b) Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating in the space provided therefor on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information. Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns shall be evidenced by:
1. Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j;
2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or
3. Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor.

(c) The information in (b) above shall be accompanied and validated by certifications of the appropriate instructor(s).

(d) Each application form shall also be accompanied by a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun, which shall be under oath and which:
1. In the case of a private citizen, shall specify in detail the urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks, which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant's life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun. Where possible, the applicant shall corroborate the existence of any specific threats or previous attacks by reference to reports of such incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agencies; or
2. In the case of employees of private detective agencies, armored car companies and private security companies, that:
i. In the course of performing statutorily authorized duties, the applicant is subject to a substantial threat of serious bodily harm; and
ii. That carrying a handgun by the applicant is necessary to reduce the threat of unjustifiable serious bodily harm to any person.

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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Great news for NJ.
But don't they still lock you up forever for hollow points?
Or was that just a Sopranos tale?

Not a tale. Non LEO, HP's outside of home or range Felony.

Correct. And an actual loaded cartridge isn't needed for the conviction... merely, literally, a BULLET.

^^^Yes and no...I believe that by violating that statute you are charged with 'Illegal Possession of Hollowpoint Bullets'. That said, it is/was generally an add-on charge to the primary charge of 'Illegal Possession of a Handgun' that would almost certainly would accompany it. The MAJOR issue is/was that in New Jermany if you can't get a CCW permit (and basically NOBODY could!), you were only allowed to 'possess' the handgun AND hollowpoint 'bullets' in very limited circumstances. This would essentially be limited to either at home, or at the range anyway. Further you have to adhere to very specific (a.k.a. ridiculous!) requirements as to how you could transport firearms & ammunition between your home and the range.

Hopefully this will change that...

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Originally posted by DennisM:

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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Great news for NJ.
But don't they still lock you up forever for hollow points?
Or was that just a Sopranos tale?

Not a tale. Non LEO, HP's outside of home or range Felony.

Correct. And an actual loaded cartridge isn't needed for the conviction... merely, literally, a BULLET.

Huh. How do they feel about incendiary or tracer rounds?

I grew up in NJ, moved there from TX when I was 11. We never even thought about the stupid laws when going to the range in Hillsborough. I think we usually had everything in the trunk, but maybe not. I'm sure we shot off lots of old homemade HPs before we needed to buy more from the range. I've driven with a gun in the car in NJ lots of times since then, just never thought about it. But the few times I was pulled over there, the cops never asked anything about weapons or wanting to search.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Great news for NJ.
But don't they still lock you up forever for hollow points?
Or was that just a Sopranos tale?

No, only the gang thugs get charged, which of course the liberal prosecutors/judges dismiss all the illegal gun charges , anyhow.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
I grew up in NJ, moved there from TX when I was 11. We never even thought about the stupid laws when going to the range in Hillsborough. I think we usually had everything in the trunk, but maybe not. I'm sure we shot off lots of old homemade HPs before we needed to buy more from the range. I've driven with a gun in the car in NJ lots of times since then, just never thought about it. But the few times I was pulled over there, the cops never asked anything about weapons or wanting to search.

We lived in Hillsborough, frequented that range. We were sad to see it close but joined the private club in Bridgewater.

Not a lawyer so Im not sure why these demonrat states are getting in front of this before similar suits are brought locally. They clearly dont respect 2A or gun owners so is there some advantage to acting pro-actively...does it prevent some repercussions for the states?

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
Not a lawyer so Im not sure why these demonrat states are getting in front of this before similar suits are brought locally. They clearly dont respect 2A or gun owners so is there some advantage to acting pro-actively...does it prevent some repercussions for the states?

Yes, it does. Once the SCOTUS issued its opinion, any state or local government that requires a showing of need to issue a permit would violate the applicant’s Constitutional rights by doing so. The applicant would then be able to sue the government (and the individual person who violated their rights) for doing so under 42 USC 1983, which allows both compensatory and punitive damages, and often prevailing party attorneys’ fees.

Good answer...thank you.

Another big win in NJ was that they now must recognize and abide by all LEOSA regulations. The State was enacting all types of extra hurdles and fees. 2 big losses in a week.