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The Unmanned Writer |
VF-213 was not the squadron known for the best record. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...t-official-says.html
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | ||
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Low Speed, High Drag |
I didnt see any update about the aircrew. I hope station SAR was on their game but its not looking good "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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Character, above all else |
Fox News reporting both the Pilot and WSO died. This really sucks. Prayers for the families involved and their squadron mates. "The Truth, when first uttered, is always considered heresy." | |||
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A Grateful American |
31% OR rate? Fuck me. We used to have 89% OR with the F-4. (and were embarrassed it was not better...) Killing aircrew for no good reason! "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Political Cynic |
damn...a mile from the runway whatever it was it must have been pretty bad and pretty fast [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Yeah, like 20 years ago. Completely different group these days. | |||
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A Grateful American |
Yes. It happens too fast. (and too often) And both maintaining, and flying, you learn and know more than you might want. The older you get, the clearer some things are, and the fuzzier other things. F-4E 69-7589 30 Sep 1987. Early evening, return to base from out and back, shooting touch and goes. After the third approach, and go around, aircraft departed south of Eglin 19 to approx 3 miles and began 4 minute turn to re-enter pattern for intended approach and full stop. Aircraft descended while in right bank and impacted water. Post recovery and investigation revealed following (not exhaustive nor complete)... Aircraft was near wings level with full aft stick input from front cockpit. Egress was initiated but out of envelope and too late to clear aircraft prior to impact. Both canopies had jettisoned, (rear cockpit initiated ejection, command ejection selector was set for dual ejection sequence). WSO was clear of aircraft, but impacted water prior to man/seat separation. Pilot did had not cleared the aircraft prior to impact. That was my last of more than 30 aircraft I was involved in that were lost, and multiple recovery efforts. And one of the incidents that stayed with me. We worked several days working with divers, dredging equipment to recover wreckage from the gulf, just south of Destin and staging the recovered components to a hanger to piece together for the investigation. It is believed that during the last go around, the aircrew were distracted with "tidying up" the cockpit, stowing publications and maps, and setting up for the full stop recovery, and that hand off between the front and rear may not have been verified as to who "had the stick". (as often was the case, F-4 crew would take turns with touch and go and command, to keep proficiency). The findings indicated everything was in normal operation. Engines were in normal power setting for the turn to base, as were flap/slat settings, gear still in the up and locked position. Aircraft simply was in a right bank turn and descended (according to area of impact and determined flight track) until just before impact where wings were leveled and stick input to full aft deflection as evidenced by the horizontal stabilizer at impact. And sometimes, in the middle of the night you wake up and wonder... I miss friends and those I've served with. Toss a nickel in the grass... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Low Speed, High Drag |
Yes prayers for all RIP "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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Member |
Lord watch over their souls. I grew up fishing down there, got to know some of the folks a bit over time. Loved the talk early in the morning at Kims Kuban when the Sundowner guys would be in early and I was getting breakfast and lunch sandwiches for the day. Loved watching them scream overhead every day. This is sad and confusing...thoughts are with their families. “Forigive your enemy, but remember the bastard’s name.” -Scottish proverb | |||
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Member |
We are pushing these airplanes too hard without proper maintenance/replacement and asking crews to fly them with insufficient recurrent flight training hours. | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
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semi-reformed sailor |
Fair winds and following seas "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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